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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    SYG is a misnomer because most of the states with Castle or SYG never had a must flee law beforehand. It also allows for an active attack in the event of a third party being attacked. That isn't stand your ground.

    When it comes to courtrooms, schools, town hall meetings and the like you would be surprised how few LE types are present and most of those who are present have prisoner escort duties to perform. if you search courtroom shooting you will find quite a few.

    HOWEVER the issue isn't NEED for the firearm, my state has a shall issue statute not a show need one. It doesn't matter the need but the right. One could argue ANYPLACE a semi to barely trained pistolero draws and starts shooting he/she is more likely to shoot everyone but the bad guy!

    The point I am trying to make is those who wrote the more assertive carry laws and use of deadly force made sure they placed a prohibition zone around themselves, but quite content to have the concealed carry people wandering about the 'common' citizen.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    You don't have links to all the laws that apply to your poll. The link you you give is to a pamphlet that advises people in a way that is understandable and readable. It is only the SYGL that screws stuff up. See
    Stand-your-ground law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It's not to hard to read and you can understand how a defense lawyer can use it.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 04-01-12 at 01:38 PM.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Problem is the SYG laws ignores the duty to retreat and in fact escalates conflicts by disregarding the need to deescalate confrontations. Many sherrif offices, district attorneys, police officers and law enforcement organizations speak out against these laws as they see firsthand how tense situations can be escalated by making legal space for using firearms on citizens.
    I was able to find some sheriff in Iowa against SYG. There were some police officers concerned about the Indiana SYG may be interpreted to allow citizens to use it against police officers. There were some district attorneys in Philadelphia against SYG but i cannot find anything near what your implying that there is significant opposition. I didn't look up "law enforcement organizations" since that is too vague a term.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Forcible felony = *bang*
    No excuses.
    You really believe being punched justifes a death sentence?
    What if someone elbows you on accident, do you just claim they did it on purpose and shoot them? Who would be able to tell the difference when you just shot the other party?

    This is absurd. You shoot someone, you get investigated and it's either deemed appropriate or not. Simply being "punched" != appropriate. Good grief.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You really believe being punched justifes a death sentence?
    What if someone elbows you on accident, do you just claim they did it on purpose and shoot them? Who would be able to tell the difference when you just shot the other party?

    This is absurd. You shoot someone, you get investigated and it's either deemed appropriate or not. Simply being "punched" != appropriate. Good grief.
    maybe you should learn what a forcible FELONY is before you make such asinine recriminations !
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    My question is this. Say one night, I don't live in Florida but pretend I do, I'm walking home in say a urban city. As I pass an alley I see a man raping a woman and it is obvious that the woman is crying for help. Lucky for me this night I am packing heat so I turn, aim, fire.

    Two questions:

    1) If I miss and shoot and kill the woman, am I then responsible for murder?

    2) Since (sic) when was it a justifiable act to shoot a rapist?

    (I would also like to point out that in BOTH scenarios a cop wouldn't of taken a shot unless they assailant had a weapon drawn)
    Last edited by Jryan; 04-04-12 at 09:32 PM.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    You really believe being punched justifes a death sentence?
    What if someone elbows you on accident, do you just claim they did it on purpose and shoot them? Who would be able to tell the difference when you just shot the other party?

    This is absurd. You shoot someone, you get investigated and it's either deemed appropriate or not. Simply being "punched" != appropriate. Good grief.
    What does this have to do with Zimmerman-Martin? "just being punched" doesn't apply.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    My question is this. Say one night, I don't live in Florida but pretend I do, I'm walking home in say a urban city. As I pass an alley I see a man raping a woman and it is obvious that the woman is crying for help. Lucky for me this night I am packing heat so I turn, aim, fire.

    Two questions:

    1) If I miss and shoot and kill the woman, am I then responsible for murder?

    2) Since (sic) when was it a justifiable act to shoot a rapist?

    (I would also like to point out that in BOTH scenarios a cop wouldn't of taken a shot unless they assailant had a weapon drawn)
    1. No, but you would be civilly liable.
    2. A person can use force, including deadly force if reasonable, to stop a sexual asault continuing.

    Those are easy questions.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    My question is this. Say one night, I don't live in Florida but pretend I do, I'm walking home in say a urban city. As I pass an alley I see a man raping a woman and it is obvious that the woman is crying for help. Lucky for me this night I am packing heat so I turn, aim, fire.

    Two questions:

    1) If I miss and shoot and kill the woman, am I then responsible for murder?

    No: you did not have the requisite mens rea

    2) Since (sic) when was it a justifiable act to shoot a rapist?

    If you have a reasonable belief he is going to inflict severe bodily harm on the victim imminently

    (I would also like to point out that in BOTH scenarios a cop wouldn't of taken a shot unless they assailant had a weapon drawn)
    Not relevant-most cops are lousy shots anyway. I trust my kid to shoot someone holding a knife to my throat (Think Mel Gibson and his tomahawk whacking the guy about to cut Heath Ledger's throat) than most big city cops

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    1. No, but you would be civilly liable.
    2. A person can use force, including deadly force if reasonable, to stop a sexual asault continuing.

    Those are easy questions.
    The law dictates that you can use deadly force if you merely see someone being raped. Again, when has it become custom to shoot a rapist? If these are easy questions their must be easy answers that aren't strawmans.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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