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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Penalties for Second Degree Murder

    The crime of Second Degree Murder is classified as a First Degree Felony and is assigned a Level 10 offense severity ranking under Florida's Criminal Punishment Code.

    If convicted of Second Degree Murder, a judge is required to impose a minimum prison sentence of 16 years in prison and can impose any additional combination of the following penalties:
    •Up to Life in prison.
    •Up to Life on probation.
    •Up to $10,000 in fines.

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    Under Florida's 10-20-Life law, a person who uses a Firearm to commit Second Degree Murder must be sentenced to a minimum-mandatory prison sentence of 25 years. [1]

    http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes...#Depraved-Mind

    there's more at the link..

    Depraved mind being disregard for human life.
    OK please explain how the penalty's have anything even remotely to do with my post?

    Please re-read my post. After you are clued in, you will see I am absolutely correct and your efforts appear just mind numbingly out of place.
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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
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    http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes...slaughter.html

    Definition of Manslaughter

    The crime of Manslaughter can be committed in one of three ways, either by:
    1.Manslaughter by Act: Committing an act that was neither excusable, nor justified that resulted in the death of another person.
    2.Manslaughter by Procurement: Persuading, inducing, or encouraging another person to commit an act that resulted in the death of another person.
    3.Manslaughter by Culpable Negligence: Engaging in “Culpably Negligent” conduct that resulted in the death of another person.

    Penalties for Manslaughter

    The crime of Manslaughter is classified as a Second Degree Felony and is assigned a Level 7 offense severity ranking under Florida's Criminal Punishment Code.

    If convicted of Manslaughter, a judge is required to impose a minimum prison sentence of 9 years in prison and can impose any additional combination of the following penalties:
    •Up to 15 years in prison.
    •Up to 15 years of probation.
    •Up to $10,000 in fines.
    All of this is moot since he is not being charged with manslaughter. He's being charged with Murder 2.

    In Florida this is...

    The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
    The 2011 Florida Statutes

    Does this sound anything at all like what happened in the Zimmerman/Trayvon case?
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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    OK please explain how the penalty's have anything even remotely to do with my post?

    Please re-read my post. After you are clued in, you will see I am absolutely correct and your efforts appear just mind numbingly out of place.
    The link also defines Murder 2.........

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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    The link also defines Murder 2.........
    And my link defines murder 2 as per Florida law.

    BTW, your link comes up as a 404 error page not found.
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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    The link also defines Murder 2.........
    I am an ex-cop, I know the law.

    The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life

    So in other words.... Intent under the law...

    ntent is a mental attitude with which an individual acts, and therefore it cannot ordinarily be directly proved but must be inferred from surrounding facts and circumstances. Intent refers only to the state of mind with which the act is done or omitted. It differs from motive, which is what prompts a person to act or to fail to act. For example, suppose Billy calls Amy names and Amy throws a snowball at him. Amy's intent is to hit Billy with a snowball. Her motive may be to stop Billy's taunts. - intent legal definition of intent. intent synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I guess you are right there. Maybe we are to cruel on people who make decisions in the moment because we now have hindsight.
    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
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    I've thought a lot about this post lately. So, using this same logic, how is it logical then to give a death penalty? EDIT: This applies to murders of passion/defense not thought out (Although I'm not in favor of that either, not part of the argument though)
    Last edited by Jryan; 04-22-12 at 09:50 PM.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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