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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    I live in Florida and I agree with the law...just like anything else, anyone that misuses or breaks the law should be charged appropriately.
    I believe people have a right to defend themselves and not allowing people to defend themselves in my opinion results in the deaths of more innocent individuals than any mistakes or misuses of the law....Like zimmerman

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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I live in Florida and I agree with the law...just like anything else, anyone that misuses or breaks the law should be charged appropriately.
    I believe people have a right to defend themselves and not allowing people to defend themselves in my opinion results in the deaths of more innocent individuals than any mistakes or misuses of the law....Like zimmerman
    But the question is where is this "line" drawn? There is a BIG grey area.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Jryan...no law is absolute and covers every nuance. In some states like New Jersey...you cant shoot and kill someone that invades your home without going through hell.
    Id rather it be overkill to benefit the victims than be overkill protecting the scum...just my humble opinion

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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Jryan...no law is absolute and covers every nuance. In some states like New Jersey...you cant shoot and kill someone that invades your home without going through hell.
    Id rather it be overkill to benefit the victims than be overkill protecting the scum...just my humble opinion
    Right, without arguing the point I made in another thread, I don't believe in punishment. I believe in rehabilitation and helping people with their problems. Shooting someone in the head helps no one.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Right, without arguing the point I made in another thread, I don't believe in punishment. I believe in rehabilitation and helping people with their problems. Shooting someone in the head helps no one.
    Rehabilitation is for drug addicts, mentally impaired, etc...rehabilitation is not for Armed Robbers, home invaders and Murderers....comeon Jryan you understand the difference Im sure....the stand your ground law is for individuals under threat of physical harm and/or death having the right to defend themselves....like its been reported even by the special prosecutor...the martin zimmerman case is not about stand your ground and has nothing to do with that law

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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Rehabilitation is for drug addicts, mentally impaired, etc...rehabilitation is not for Armed Robbers, home invaders and Murderers....comeon Jryan you understand the difference Im sure....the stand your ground law is for individuals under threat of physical harm and/or death having the right to defend themselves....like its been reported even by the special prosecutor...the martin zimmerman case is not about stand your ground and has nothing to do with that law
    I don't think that robbers, home invaders, and murderers have much of a choice at that point in their lifestyle, so yes I do believe that they can be rehabilitated, and since I believe that they are victims of a perpetual bad life, I don't think they should be punished. Whether you believe in free will or not, you cannot deny that in the moment, the thought of not committing heinous acts never enter's a career criminal's conscious mind. So yes, I do think that humans can see the error of their ways and conform to our society; if they can't, that is what prison is for, but to not even give them a chance is morally unfair.

    Also, I don't think people shouldn't be able to defend themselves; laws like these leave to much room for human misjudgment. IE, I don't think that if someone pushes you, you should then be able to respond with a bullet in their head. The appropriate action here would be to walk away...
    Last edited by Jryan; 04-14-12 at 10:41 AM.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Very true. I still think Occam's razor pretty much covers this one.
    I wonder if Occam's razor is admissible in court?
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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Shooting someone in the head helps no one.
    except their current intended victims and any other potential victims who may otherwise have crossed their path in the future.
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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    except their current intended victims and any other potential victims who may otherwise have crossed their path in the future.
    Oh right, I like how you immediately assume that the person was in imminent danger .
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    Re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I wonder if Occam's razor is admissible in court?
    It just means the simplest reasoning is usually correct. So yes of course it is.
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