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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    He did not ignore the dispatcher. The dispatcher suggested he should not follow Martin, it was not a command or order to be ignored.
    But it was advice from a professional who he had called for help. The fact that he would ignore that same advice is rather telling about Z and his motives that night.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But it was advice from a professional who he had called for help. The fact that he would ignore that same advice is rather telling about Z and his motives that night.
    Why would a 911 dispatcher be an expert? They have no training etc. I mean it would be common sense to stop and wait for the police unless he was afraid the suspect would get away. So he made a judgement call that had little to do with any kind of expertise from a dispatcher, they are not trained police officers in any way. Neither was Zimmerman, so even though in the long run it was a bad decision, at the time it had nothing to do with ignoring anyone, but assessing the situation for himself as he was there.

    Just because I don't take advice from someone does not mean I was trying to ignore it.

    People are acting like somehow they new Zimmerman's intent when we don't know at all.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    The rest of your post just.......doesn't even need reading since you just lied.

    out.
    What? Please point out where I responded to Muhammad? Please point out where by questioning Muhammad I implied anything?

    You really need to go back and read who I responded to before saying someone lied.

    Here is the post I responded to...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060380001

    Interesting how Muhammad's name does not appear. I wonder why that is?
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Why would a 911 dispatcher be an expert? They have no training etc. I mean it would be common sense to stop and wait for the police unless he was afraid the suspect would get away. So he made a judgement call that had little to do with any kind of expertise from a dispatcher, they are not rained police officers in any way. Neither was Zimmerman, so even though in the long run it was a bad decision, at the time it had nothing to do with ignoring anyone, but assessing the situation for himself as he was there.

    Just because I don't take advice from someone does not mean I was trying to ignore it.
    He knows a hell of a lot more about that job than you or I do.

    He rejected the advice of the expert he called. That cannot be denied. And then he killed a kid as a result. And that cannot be denied either.

    If that guy had stayed in his car that night, we never would have heard of him and Martin would be alive today. And that cannot be denied either.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He knows a hell of a lot more about that job than you or I do.
    Correction: Than you do. I am an experienced LEO and police academy graduate.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He rejected the advice of the expert he called. That cannot be denied. And then he killed a kid as a result. And that cannot be denied either.
    Dispatchers are not experts on the law or the enforcement of law, period. You are trying to give a dispatcher expertise they do not have by training or any real world experience.

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    If that guy had stayed in his car that night, we never would have heard of him and Martin would be alive today. And that cannot be denied either.
    This is probably true, but so far the evidence says he broke no law. Until it becomes a crime to make bad decisions, the evidence does not suggest any crime. It is a shame, but not a crime.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What? Please point out where I responded to Muhammad? Please point out where by questioning Muhammad I implied anything?

    You really need to go back and read who I responded to before saying someone lied.

    Here is the post I responded to...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060380001

    Interesting how Muhammad's name does not appear. I wonder why that is?
    Continue on with your lies.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Johnson View Post
    Continue on with your lies.
    Ummmmm I never responded to Muhammad at all. Never questioned him etc.

    Since you cannot show that I did, I will consider this ended in my favor.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Ummmmm I never responded to Muhammad at all. Never questioned him etc.

    Since you cannot show that I did, I will consider this ended in my favor.
    Continue with your lies.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Correction: Than you do. I am an experienced LEO and police academy graduate.



    Dispatchers are not experts on the law or the enforcement of law, period. You are trying to give a dispatcher expertise they do not have by training or any real world experience.



    This is probably true, but so far the evidence says he broke no law. Until it becomes a crime to make bad decisions, the evidence does not suggest any crime. It is a shame, but not a crime.
    Thank you for correcting the facts on your training. Allow me then to rephrase my statement to say that the dispatcher knows a hell of a lot more than I do or most other Americans about that sort of situation.

    The question of a crime is now being investigated. I am willing to wait for that determination. Until then it is a fact that if Z had stayed in his car that night as the dispatcher advised him to do, neither of us would be engaged in this discussion today and the entire world would be absent this terrible event - sad or otherwise.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thank you for correcting the facts on your training. Allow me then to rephrase my statement to say that the dispatcher knows a hell of a lot more than I do or most other Americans about that sort of situation.
    Possibly, but we don't know anything about the dispatcher. You are probably correct, but I can't say for certain.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The question of a crime is now being investigated. I am willing to wait for that determination. Until then it is a fact that if Z had stayed in his car that night as the dispatcher advised him to do, neither of us would be engaged in this discussion today and the entire world would be absent this terrible event - sad or otherwise.
    True.
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