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Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

Do you agree with Florida Law on use of deadly force?

  • Agree

    Votes: 41 70.7%
  • Disagree

    Votes: 15 25.9%
  • I oppose the Second Amendment completely

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • There should be no rule of law

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Total voters
    58
Being pushed is not grounds under the law to shoot anyone...

Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.

It is clearly outlined.

The only real change in the self defense laws in Florida, is that you are no longer under any obligation to retreat from the situation if you are legally within your rights to be where you are.

Ah, okay. So do you think it is fine if someone uses lethal force when they could've resolved the situation peacefully (Even if serious bodily harm is at play)? Say for instance they have the opportunity to get in their car and drive away.
 
Ah, okay. So do you think it is fine if someone uses lethal force when they could've resolved the situation peacefully (Even if serious bodily harm is at play)? Say for instance they have the opportunity to get in their car and drive away.

Jryan, I think your missing something here...by the time you can ascertain your in imminent danger 100% your going to be dead. There ingredients such as intent and belief....do you BELIEVE your in imminent danger...the way your wording your argument...theres no self defense, its just wait till you cant defend yourself.
 
Jryan, I think your missing something here...by the time you can ascertain your in imminent danger 100% your going to be dead. There ingredients such as intent and belief....do you BELIEVE your in imminent danger...the way your wording your argument...theres no self defense, its just wait till you cant defend yourself.

I guess you are right there. Maybe we are to cruel on people who make decisions in the moment because we now have hindsight.
 
I think this law mirrors the federal guidelines on concealed weapons, but the general lean of the SYG law was more freedom since it replaced a strict castle doctrine type of law.

SYG didn't replace Castle Doctrine.. it extended it into public spaces.. meaning there is no duty to retreat.

Its bad law.
 
Ah, okay. So do you think it is fine if someone uses lethal force when they could've resolved the situation peacefully (Even if serious bodily harm is at play)? Say for instance they have the opportunity to get in their car and drive away.

If serous bodily harm is at play, yes I would kill someone to protect myself or others. If I have the opportunity to get in my car and drive away safely, then no threat exist. Now if I have a chance to stop a forcible felony or escape, I would stop the forcible felony with deadly force without a second thought about retreating.

I agree with the law 100%.
 
SYG didn't replace Castle Doctrine.. it extended it into public spaces.. meaning there is no duty to retreat.

Its bad law.

It is an excellent law.
 
I guess you are right there. Maybe we are to cruel on people who make decisions in the moment because we now have hindsight.

:)........
 
Its bad law.
Not really. Only in how it is written.
It should be written in such a way that unlawful intent has to be proven before any other legal process can be implemented.
 
Not really. Only in how it is written.
It should be written in such a way that unlawful intent has to be proven before any other legal process can be implemented.

Now there's a conundrum for you. Under our laws, where does unlawful intent have to be proven for anything? It's called trial by jury.
In the Old West it was easier, fastest man on the trigger was the good guy. Oh wait.... even in the Old West shooting a unarmed man was murder.
 
Now there's a conundrum for you. Under our laws, where does unlawful intent have to be proven for anything? It's called trial by jury.
In the Old West it was easier, fastest man on the trigger was the good guy. Oh wait.... even in the Old West shooting a unarmed man was murder.

Intent is the difference between criminal trespass and burglary or manslaughter and murder 2, etc. For some charges you need to have, or be able to prove intent in court or in some cases file charges.
 
In the Old West it was easier, fastest man on the trigger was the good guy. Oh wait.... even in the Old West shooting a unarmed man was murder.
In the old west this situation, with the evidence they have, they would have just accepted Zimmerman's word. Just as they should now.
 
Now there's a conundrum for you. Under our laws, where does unlawful intent have to be proven for anything? It's called trial by jury.
In the Old West it was easier, fastest man on the trigger was the good guy. Oh wait.... even in the Old West shooting a unarmed man was murder.

I know a few ways to kill a person without using anything but my hands. Point being is that an unarmed person can still kill a person.

And yes, even in the old west intent still mattered to a sheriff.
 
Intent is the difference between criminal trespass and burglary or manslaughter and murder 2, etc. For some charges you need to have, or be able to prove intent in court or in some cases file charges.

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http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes...slaughter.html

Definition of Manslaughter

The crime of Manslaughter can be committed in one of three ways, either by:
1.Manslaughter by Act: Committing an act that was neither excusable, nor justified that resulted in the death of another person.
2.Manslaughter by Procurement: Persuading, inducing, or encouraging another person to commit an act that resulted in the death of another person.
3.Manslaughter by Culpable Negligence: Engaging in “Culpably Negligent” conduct that resulted in the death of another person.

Penalties for Manslaughter

The crime of Manslaughter is classified as a Second Degree Felony and is assigned a Level 7 offense severity ranking under Florida's Criminal Punishment Code.

If convicted of Manslaughter, a judge is required to impose a minimum prison sentence of 9¼ years in prison and can impose any additional combination of the following penalties:
•Up to 15 years in prison.
•Up to 15 years of probation.
•Up to $10,000 in fines.
 
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http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes...slaughter.html

Definition of Manslaughter

The crime of Manslaughter can be committed in one of three ways, either by:
1.Manslaughter by Act: Committing an act that was neither excusable, nor justified that resulted in the death of another person.
2.Manslaughter by Procurement: Persuading, inducing, or encouraging another person to commit an act that resulted in the death of another person.
3.Manslaughter by Culpable Negligence: Engaging in “Culpably Negligent” conduct that resulted in the death of another person.

Penalties for Manslaughter

The crime of Manslaughter is classified as a Second Degree Felony and is assigned a Level 7 offense severity ranking under Florida's Criminal Punishment Code.

If convicted of Manslaughter, a judge is required to impose a minimum prison sentence of 9¼ years in prison and can impose any additional combination of the following penalties:
•Up to 15 years in prison.
•Up to 15 years of probation.
•Up to $10,000 in fines.

Obviously you have not a clue of what I posted. Manslaughter does not need "intent" murder 2 does. :roll:

Wow, just wow.
 
Obviously you have no clue. Manslaughter does not need "intent" murder 2 does. :roll:

Wow, just wow.

Penalties for Second Degree Murder

The crime of Second Degree Murder is classified as a First Degree Felony and is assigned a Level 10 offense severity ranking under Florida's Criminal Punishment Code.

If convicted of Second Degree Murder, a judge is required to impose a minimum prison sentence of 16¾ years in prison and can impose any additional combination of the following penalties:
•Up to Life in prison.
•Up to Life on probation.
•Up to $10,000 in fines.

10/20/Life

Under Florida's 10-20-Life law, a person who uses a Firearm to commit Second Degree Murder must be sentenced to a minimum-mandatory prison sentence of 25 years. [1]

http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes...#Depraved-Mind

there's more at the link..

Depraved mind being disregard for human life.
 
Penalties for Second Degree Murder

The crime of Second Degree Murder is classified as a First Degree Felony and is assigned a Level 10 offense severity ranking under Florida's Criminal Punishment Code.

If convicted of Second Degree Murder, a judge is required to impose a minimum prison sentence of 16¾ years in prison and can impose any additional combination of the following penalties:
•Up to Life in prison.
•Up to Life on probation.
•Up to $10,000 in fines.

10/20/Life

Under Florida's 10-20-Life law, a person who uses a Firearm to commit Second Degree Murder must be sentenced to a minimum-mandatory prison sentence of 25 years. [1]

http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes...#Depraved-Mind

there's more at the link..

Depraved mind being disregard for human life.

OK please explain how the penalty's have anything even remotely to do with my post?

Please re-read my post. After you are clued in, you will see I am absolutely correct and your efforts appear just mind numbingly out of place.
 
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http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes...slaughter.html

Definition of Manslaughter

The crime of Manslaughter can be committed in one of three ways, either by:
1.Manslaughter by Act: Committing an act that was neither excusable, nor justified that resulted in the death of another person.
2.Manslaughter by Procurement: Persuading, inducing, or encouraging another person to commit an act that resulted in the death of another person.
3.Manslaughter by Culpable Negligence: Engaging in “Culpably Negligent” conduct that resulted in the death of another person.

Penalties for Manslaughter

The crime of Manslaughter is classified as a Second Degree Felony and is assigned a Level 7 offense severity ranking under Florida's Criminal Punishment Code.

If convicted of Manslaughter, a judge is required to impose a minimum prison sentence of 9¼ years in prison and can impose any additional combination of the following penalties:
•Up to 15 years in prison.
•Up to 15 years of probation.
•Up to $10,000 in fines.

All of this is moot since he is not being charged with manslaughter. He's being charged with Murder 2.

In Florida this is...

The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

The 2011 Florida Statutes

Does this sound anything at all like what happened in the Zimmerman/Trayvon case?
 
OK please explain how the penalty's have anything even remotely to do with my post?

Please re-read my post. After you are clued in, you will see I am absolutely correct and your efforts appear just mind numbingly out of place.

The link also defines Murder 2.........
 
The link also defines Murder 2.........

I am an ex-cop, I know the law.

The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life

So in other words.... Intent under the law...

ntent is a mental attitude with which an individual acts, and therefore it cannot ordinarily be directly proved but must be inferred from surrounding facts and circumstances. Intent refers only to the state of mind with which the act is done or omitted. It differs from motive, which is what prompts a person to act or to fail to act. For example, suppose Billy calls Amy names and Amy throws a snowball at him. Amy's intent is to hit Billy with a snowball. Her motive may be to stop Billy's taunts. - intent legal definition of intent. intent synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.
 
I guess you are right there. Maybe we are to cruel on people who make decisions in the moment because we now have hindsight.


I've thought a lot about this post lately. So, using this same logic, how is it logical then to give a death penalty? EDIT: This applies to murders of passion/defense not thought out (Although I'm not in favor of that either, not part of the argument though)
 
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