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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dog View Post
    Agreed. I would prefer people retreat and call for law enforcement if possible.
    The problem with that line of thinking is that when you're in a real life or death situation, cops can only respond in the amount of time it takes for them to arrive. If you are in danger, your chances of survival are much better if you can defend yourself.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
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    You read a book and got excited and now want to apply the concept to everything, and ignore what people with decades of experience in these matters are telling you. This is also nothing new; the young are susceptible to intellectual narcissim.
    The naive youth adopting academia's arrogance. "Intellectual narcissim" is a good phrase.

    It is curious that everyone who actually has experience with violent people are who understand how exactly wrong the excuse-makers are.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    For all those that have already convicted Z in their minds. If this does go to court, and he is proven innocent, will there be apologies? Or even an admission of being wrong?
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Wrong, I would stop to help someone if they were being attacked. I just wouldn't shoot first, ask questions later.
    So, are you saying you really believe someone who is committing an act of violence is going to stop, put aside their weapon or aggressive physical stance, to answer your questions, before they go on commiting their violent act?
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The problem with that line of thinking is that when you're in a real life or death situation, cops can only respond in the amount of time it takes for them to arrive. If you are in danger, your chances of survival are much better if you can defend yourself.
    Unfortunately, too many people rely exclusively on police for their protection.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The problem with that line of thinking is that when you're in a real life or death situation, cops can only respond in the amount of time it takes for them to arrive. If you are in danger, your chances of survival are much better if you can defend yourself.
    I don't disagree with you, but SYG (IMO) allows greater latitude for people to act more aggressive or act like they are law enforcement, which they are not.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    I will grant that many are the way they are in part because of family, neighborhood, friends, life experiences, and so forth... but to pretent that sapient beings have no free will and no choice is to ignore half of the equation. We are not simply a product of our genes and experiences, we are also a product of our intellect and our choices.
    Look at the last little part of what you said here Goshin. "We are also a product of our intellect and our choices". Our intellect comes from genes/culture. This has been inherently proven by the IQ test. Our choices come from where though Goshin? I mean when you are presented with a choice of what to wear in the morning, do all of the possible options arise into your conscious thought? No, because it would be maddening if every situation that you were presented with every single choice arose into your subconscious thoughts. Our choices, therefore, arise from our subconscious, of which we have no control over, so where exactly is our free will in all of that?

    You read a book and got excited and now want to apply the concept to everything, and ignore what people with decades of experience in these matters are telling you. This is also nothing new; the young are susceptible to intellectual narcissim.
    You aren't giving me enough credit here Goshin. I've actually read several books on the subject, the fact that it is arising now is because I think this is where it applies. (Other books I have read, The moral Landscape, The End of Faith, God is not great, and many more) I understand your frustration with me, I also have frustration with you. We are, in a sense, experiencing the fire place delusion.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    So, are you saying you really believe someone who is committing an act of violence is going to stop, put aside their weapon or aggressive physical stance, to answer your questions, before they go on commiting their violent act?
    Sorry, let me clarify a little bit their. If someone is about to rape a woman, I would say, "Hey, Stop!" (With weapon drawn before doing so). If they were in the act of raping, I would say, "Hey Stop!", (Weapon drawn then shoot if they don't respond). There is a point in between these two, which I'm not to sure where that would be, when I would shoot without even thinking. Maybe if they were literally about to insert their penis into the woman. If I walked up on this situation and at any point I felt that someone was going to be injured if I didn't stop immediately, I would shoot first, ask questions later. So at any time if I feel someone's mortality is in question, or that their physical/mental state is in question, I would shoot first, ask questions later.

    The point is, people are more likely to stop and answer your questions if you have a gun pointed at them.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The naive youth adopting academia's arrogance. "Intellectual narcissim" is a good phrase.

    It is curious that everyone who actually has experience with violent people are who understand how exactly wrong the excuse-makers are.
    Then it is up to you to convince me. So far you, the emotionally involved, to convince the more reasonable otherwise.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Look at the last little part of what you said here Goshin. "We are also a product of our intellect and our choices". Our intellect comes from genes/culture. This has been inherently proven by the IQ test. Our choices come from where though Goshin? I mean when you are presented with a choice of what to wear in the morning, do all of the possible options arise into your conscious thought? No, because it would be maddening if every situation that you were presented with every single choice arose into your subconscious thoughts. Our choices, therefore, arise from our subconscious, of which we have no control over, so where exactly is our free will in all of that?



    You aren't giving me enough credit here Goshin. I've actually read several books on the subject, the fact that it is arising now is because I think this is where it applies. (Other books I have read, The moral Landscape, The End of Faith, God is not great, and many more) I understand your frustration with me, I also have frustration with you. We are, in a sense, experiencing the fire place delusion.


    Sigh. You're looking at this from a one-dimension view.

    Yes, lots of criminals are not intelligent. Many come from bad backgrounds. Stipulated.

    But there are some who are intelligent, well-educated, come from good family, grew up middle-class with work-ethic and so forth, law-abiding friends and neighbors... and the day comes when they decide to do something truly heinous and unlawful and there's nothing in their background to point to.

    On the flip side, I've known people who grew up in broken druggie homes, in violent druggie/gang neighborhoods, with brothers and sisters who succumbed to it all, yet these individuals rose above their roots and worked within the law and got out of there and made something of themselves.

    Choice.


    If there is no choice, what do we need with a forebrain?

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