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Thread: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I'm not going to dignify this insult with a response...
    There is no need to respond, but you might want to consider what he said, as it certainly appears to be true, based on your own responses here.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That has nothing to do with the thread at all.
    I guess you are right, but my point is correct. While I don't think people shouldn't defend themselves, I think shooting someone in the back before giving a warning is to far unless of course someone is in immediate danger. Unfortunately, and I use that word with the fullest extent of the meaning, someone that is in the act of raping someone is not in immediate danger. The crime has already been committed. I would suggest this as a proper course of action, and even an amendment into the law.

    If you see someone being raped, and no one is in immediate physical danger, you must call out a, "Hey stop what you are doing!". If they continue, or maybe, I'm not to convinced on this, start to flee the scene you may open fire with the intent to not kill the person unless someone becomes in the line of a violent act.

    Remember what I said though, the violent act has already occurred once the rape has started, giving the attacker a warning is, IMHO, a fair "shot" for them to stop what they are doing. Then if they flee/don't stop or at any time show violence, you may open fire with the intention of not killing the person unless someone is in imminent danger, IE he pulls out a gun/knife/starts beating someone...

    I'm merely arguing that we should give people the fair chance that anyone deserves before we put them into the grave that some of you feel they deserve, and while my emotions would say that the attacker should be shot on site, the reasonable side of me thinks otherwise. This is the juxtaposition we are at with this law I believe.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dog View Post
    I'am not in favor of the Stand Your Ground law. It could be used to push for "justifiable" homicides. JMO
    Lack of it allows homicides. So pick your preference.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    There is no need to respond, but you might want to consider what he said, as it certainly appears to be true, based on your own responses here.
    Wrong, I would stop to help someone if they were being attacked. I just wouldn't shoot first, ask questions later.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Lack of it allows homicides. So pick your preference.
    I just don't even think their needs to be a law for this I mean, wow. If someone got locked up for shooting someone who was about to kill an innocent bi-standard, I would be surprised, although I have a feeling I'm about to be surprised because of the ****ty justice system we have.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Lack of it allows homicides. So pick your preference.
    Agreed. I would prefer people retreat and call for law enforcement if possible.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Dog View Post
    Agreed. I would prefer people retreat and call for law enforcement if possible.
    The problem is, with our current justice system, if possible is a pretty big if when it comes time for them to stand trial. Besides, this leaves a lot of "what ifs".

    BTW, I think I have painted a picture that I'm against this act. I'm not, or at least not against the idea. I think it needs a few clarifications is all.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I'm not going to dignify this insult with a response...
    Of course not because I write of realities. You have your slogan phrase "state of mind" that you post over and over - like a pro-lifer has "abortion is killing a human" and the endless other slogans some people grab onto to avoid considering matters in terms of real people in actual reality itself.

    You have to discuss in a pretend world. Such as a rational that if a person had a brain tumor causing them to do violence and it if removed the person cured, wouldn't it be unjust to execute that person? Of course, in the history of earth that has never happened and what has happened endless acts of extreme, malicious and sadistic violence against innocent people. The latter reality you avoid and cling instead to the never-happened-theoretic, making your values and logic around it. That is nonsensical.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Right, but being born into an abusive home increases the probability that they will become a criminal/drug addict. One only need to walk into a prison to figure this out. Their are other things at play here as I have mentioned. Genes, chemical balances, influences from school, and say a friend that does drugs... All of this are circumstantial, the limit on what friends you can have are limited by the friends in your neighborhood. Not to mention, if both your parents are drug addicts you will have common grounds with this friend, and sense that common ground has been set I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for the duo to experiment with drugs at a later age. The point is, if you are born into an abusive home, the seed has been planted.

    How many criminals have you known personally? I don't mean weed smokers or valley-girls who occasionally get a five-finger discount, I mean violent criminals.

    I've known hundreds. They include murderers, rapists, robbers, child-molesters, mass murderers, drug dealers, baby killers, granny rapers, carjackers, burglars, and other fun guys and gals.

    I'm here to tell you, your theories and not new and fresh they're old hat and assigning no responsibility to the perps was proven disasterous before you were born. I remember that era when "society is to blame" for everything, this is nothing new. Hell there are Monty Python sketches about it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Qe4...deo&playnext=2

    A fair number of people who do these things have NOTHING in their background that explains their actions. Nothing.

    I will grant that many are the way they are in part because of family, neighborhood, friends, life experiences, and so forth... but to pretent that sapient beings have no free will and no choice is to ignore half of the equation. We are not simply a product of our genes and experiences, we are also a product of our intellect and our choices.

    You read a book and got excited and now want to apply the concept to everything, and ignore what people with decades of experience in these matters are telling you. This is also nothing new; the young are susceptible to intellectual narcissim.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Wrong, I would stop to help someone if they were being attacked. I just wouldn't shoot first, ask questions later.
    How would you "help?"

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