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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Firearms should be allowed in all public schools...

    What was the Florida law before this? Does this law move in the direction of more freedom or more control?
    I believe it is allowed in some/most. Why else would there be "gun free zones" for some schools? Dunno.

    Florida has SYG law, the most liberal of self-defense laws in the country (iirc, ~14 other states also have it). It states that one may use deadly force against a forcible felony against oneself or another anywhere that it is legal for one to carry such. It's like Castle Doctrine, everywhere one legally goes with the firearm. Note, robbery is a forcible felony... "Give me your wallet" = *bang*.

    I support SYG law.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I disagree with the highlighted in sub-section 12:



    Firearms should be allowed in all public schools.

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    What was the Florida law before this? Does this law move in the direction of more freedom or more control?
    That's where we disagree, but won't start that again.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    It's also a good argument for the proliferation of the Second Amendment. If everyone is packing a gun and committing a felony against another is grounds to get shot, people would obey the law much more and more easily.

    As far as I'm concerned, killing someone who is robbing or attacking you is cleaning the gene pool with a great success rate.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    So is there a state where one could go to jail, if he/she shot and an intruder trying to harm them? I thought the stand your ground law came about to protect the victim of attempted violent crime? What are the chances of a victim defending themselves going to jail?
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Shooting someone who is in the act of committing a violent crime, yes.

    Chasing someone down and killing them because they look dangerous to you, not so much.

    Now, what actually happened in the Zimmerman/Martin case? Do we know for sure?
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    So is there a state where one could go to jail, if he/she shot and an intruder trying to harm them? I thought the stand your ground law came about to protect the victim of attempted violent crime? What are the chances of a victim defending themselves going to jail?

    Back-when, before SYG and Castle law became relatively common, it wasn't hard for someone defending themselves to go to prison. The burden of proof was on the accused, and scant evidence or contradictory witnesses could easily mean you go to prison. Duty to retreat could be used against you. It was all too easy to SAY the wrong thing after the incident and cast doubt on your SD claim.

    It was way past time that the pendulum swung the other way and made honest citizens feel more confident about defending themselves.


    This Zimmerman/Martin case is a rare exception where controvery has arisen, due in part to scarcity of evidence, and in large part due to the agitation of race-baiters. It is not, in itself, an indication that the law itself is fatally flawed.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Personally, I believe that the Florida law, and most other states laws on the use of deadly force are too RESTRICTIVE.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Even the law's author said that the syg law would not apply to Zimmerman if the events played out as the media tells us. Zimmerman's lawyer also says that he will not use the law to defend his client if charges are filed. Even if Martin attacked him, Zimmerman probably did not just "stand his ground." He followed Martin when the dispatcher told him not to, and he stupidly escalated the situation. SYG is meant to allow people more options when determining the best means in which to defend themselves, not to escalate the situation. At best, Zimmerman acted recklessly and foolishly. That is not a problem with the law, but with Zimmerman himself.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Do you agree with Florida Law on use of deadly force?
    Yes you should be allowed to use lethal force for the following-
    Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
    Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    I think I disagree with the SYG law if it allows a person to create a context where an altercation ensues and said situation leads to the death of another person. I don't necessarily think that Zimmerman is guilty of murder, but I think he is guilty of something. That something may not necessarily be a law currently on the books, but perhaps one that ought to be (since we are talking about opposing and advocating laws). That is, Zimmerman may be legally innocent, but he is probably not innocent in this matter.
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