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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Jryan probably hasn't been around long enough to have his car broken into, his house burglarized (or as in my case) have two mopes jump him in an alley and punch him in the face (which is why I shot one of them and stuck my Smith and Wesson in the mouth of another and said you are dead MF and drop the hammer on the gun (its how the safety works) causing the guy to soil his shorts
    Wow, you just pointed out why I would be a credible person to test on the subject BECAUSE I AM NOT EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED....

    While I don't think your actions are necessarily right, I don't think you should be charged with anything in your situation. They aren't right because you shouldn't of had to pull your gun out, but they you shouldn't be charged because you weren't the instigator.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    A person can blame society for his own dysfuntions all he wants. He can try to rationalize and reason away why he's a POS, but until he decides he is the one who can control his impulses, and he is the one who is responsible for his ****-ups, he will never amount to anything more than a victim in his own mind, and he will remain powerless to change for the better.
    This post is why our country is heading to the dark ages. This is such a primitive thought. Reacting with violence is what the bible teaches (and I mean the old testament). I hope you enjoyed the dark ages.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Wow, you just pointed out why I would be a credible person to test on the subject BECAUSE I AM NOT EMOTIONALLY INVOLVED....

    While I don't think your actions are necessarily right, I don't think you should be charged with anything in your situation. They aren't right because you shouldn't of had to pull your gun out, but they you shouldn't be charged because you weren't the instigator.
    What a bizarre concept you suggest... that the most qualified person is the person with zero experience. I doubt one person agrees with that concept.

    So you think the right thing for him to do is to let them beat him to death with a hammer. Actually, he should have shot them both. That way neither would be capable of harming someone in the future.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    What? Perhaps I am missing the sarcasm notification here? I am ok with Zimmerman looking bad if he made stupid decisions and he is proven guilty in a court of law. I expect responsibility and nothing less from someone who carries into public.

    Like I said in the closing of my other statement. If you want to pursue a criminal...get a badge and do it the right way.
    Where does the concept that we are all sheep and only the shepard-cops keep the wolves away come from; we expected to just act like sheep?
    When it comes to looking out for our fellow humans, we all should see ourselves as cops.
    But I do understand that being anything but sheep running away and hiding looking out only for yourself now is essentially required by law and doing otherwise is a criminal offense. Apathy towards harm to others is not only acceptable, it is required.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    In places such as North Dakota where there is a similar law, I can understand that. The ONE case I could find where that law came into play, the other man had a gun, they were fighting over property lines, and the man that killed the other went into a very lengthy trial before being acquitted.

    In Florida, this law has no place. It is pure common sense. The fact that this gets debated is insane to me. Just totally insane. Anything else you people debate about I can see both sides, see where you are coming from. This, I just can't fathom how a normal human being thinks that you should be able to walk around in a school with a gun strapped to your side, and if one kid looks scary to you, you can shoot him in the face.

    Even if the kid broke your nose, legs, etc with a bat what kind of man are you to puss out and use a gun? To me there is no politics to this issue, it is simply what everyone is feeling, and I feel it is a load of ****.
    Some white sheltered mamma's boys/men are who come up with naive philosophies by which they claim other people should allow themselves to be beaten to death.

    The reason is because they are totally apathetic towards anyone but him self and have a purely selfish perspective of life. The best thing to understand about such people is never have one for a friend. They have a philosophy only for themselves, would never back you up on anything, appreciate nothing anyone does for them, and would tend to motor-mouth zippy pinhead drivel at you as if they were a guru - when they know nothing but foolishness. They are takers only and given nothing. Cowards hiding behind the courage of other people, people they condemn.

    People have freedom because of people not like them. There is any safety at all because of people exactly opposite like them. Fortunately, not all people are. Otherwise we'd all be slaves and peasants and the only justice system would still be the torture chambers and gallows of tryannts.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Hells Yea, coddle and pamper the criminal bastards into rehabilitation.

    oh. wait........
    Nor could you be a jury because you would not follow the law and are predisposed against it.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What a bizarre concept you suggest... that the most qualified person is the person with zero experience. I doubt one person agrees with that concept.

    So you think the right thing for him to do is to let them beat him to death with a hammer. Actually, he should have shot them both. That way neither would be capable of harming someone in the future.
    Right, I also think we should adopt this legislation into our laws:

    From "The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values" by Sam Harris Page 1:

    The people of Albania have a venerable tradition of vendetta called Kanun: if a man commits a murder, his victim's family can kill any one of his male relatives in reprisal. If a boy has the misfortune of being the son or brother of a murderer, he must spend his [probable last] days and nights in hiding, forgoing a proper education, adequate health care, and the pleasures of a normal life. Untold numbers of Albanian men and boys live as prisoners of their homes even now. Can we say that the Albanians are morally wrong to have structured their society in this way? Is their tradition of blood feud a form of evil? Are their values interior to our own?
    If that system is not bizarre to you then you have lost all touch with our own justice system, which I'm not arguing is not fair but I think it is unfair for either reasons mainly things like plea-bargains.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I'm glad you don't dictate our laws I guess. You really think someone who steals deserves the death penalty? So you ignore IQ tests, personality tests, statistics, data, and anything that proves that people are a product of society.
    So what if a person is the "product of society?" How does that make any difference? Rather, if a person is so deeply psychologically disturbed leading that person to acts of violence against others for reasons of cruelty and harm, that is someone that particularly should be removed from society. There is no shortage of humans on earth.

    Who most finds malicious and cruel violence against other people reprehensible and intolerate are those who have most seen it happen. Those who are apathetic towards it are those of sheltered lives and believe they will never be the victim of it. They value only themselves. You value only yourself.

    The reason there continues to be such massive levels of child abuse, violence, torture, horror, rape, murder and war in the world is exactly, 100%, because of people such as you. It is people of your apathy that are the cause. You are one of the people that are responsible for the violence.

    The core of your beliefs is not intelligence and enlightenment, it is arrogance and cowardice.
    Last edited by joko104; 04-06-12 at 10:10 AM.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So what if a person is the "product of society?" How does that make any difference? Rather, if a person is so deeply psychologically disturbed leading that person to acts of violence against others for reasons of cruelty and harm, that is someone that particularly should be removed from society. There is no shortage of humans on earth.

    You most finds malicious and cruel violence against other people reprehensible and intolerate are those who have most seen it happen. Those who are apathetic towards it are those of sheltered lives and believe they will never be the victim of it.

    The reason there continues to be such massive levels of child abuse, violence, torture, horror, rape, murder and war in the world is exactly, 100%, because of people such as you. It is people of your apathy that are the cause. You are one of the people that are responsible for the violence.

    The core of your beliefs is not intelligence and enlightenment, it is arrogance and cowardice.
    My point is, which you may have missed, is that if we don't have free will and our concious thought is controlled by our sub-concious thought, then we cannot blame the person so we cannot punish them. This does not mean we cannot remove them from society or make them go to psychological exams.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Right, I also think we should adopt this legislation into our laws:

    From "The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values" by Sam Harris Page 1:



    If that system is not bizarre to you then you have lost all touch with our own justice system, which I'm not arguing is not fair but I think it is unfair for either reasons mainly things like plea-bargains.
    I was raised in a culture of actually far worse "murder" values than that. However, for the Albania example you give I can see rationality it in and as a violence preventative. "Don't murder anyone in my family or I will murder one of your family members" is not an outrageous concept to me. I know in fact that a cultural value of murder-for-murder does prevent murder among the most otherwise murderous people. In fact, that was one of the few limiting factor on murder between the men. It is unfortunate that value did not exist towards children and women too.

    There is only one certain way to insure a murderer or aggravated violent assailant or rapist never does so to any else again. Destroy that animal. Then everyone is safe from that person forever more.
    Last edited by joko104; 04-06-12 at 10:20 AM.

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