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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    And thanks to people like you, I agree with everything you said here. I just don't think that anyone who is emotionally involved in a case can be a jury membor, as you would like (presuming).

    So you think all criminals should be shot then if the victim dictates it justifiable?

    Wow... You really need to take a look at psychology and how the brain works. There is a science to this turtledude, which you are ignoring...

    Just say "no" to science though I guess:

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    Hells Yea, coddle and pamper the criminal bastards into rehabilitation.

    oh. wait........
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Hells Yea, coddle and pamper the criminal bastards into rehabilitation.

    oh. wait........

    Jryan probably hasn't been around long enough to have his car broken into, his house burglarized (or as in my case) have two mopes jump him in an alley and punch him in the face (which is why I shot one of them and stuck my Smith and Wesson in the mouth of another and said you are dead MF and drop the hammer on the gun (its how the safety works) causing the guy to soil his shorts

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Sorry I don't have time to fully respond...but Zimmerman had plea bargained charges on his records (things that should have been felonies but were reduced).
    You are wrong about the plea bargain. A plea bargain is when a person agrees to plead guilty to a lesser charge in exchange for no jury trial. Z has no convictions.
    Justifiable use of Force is all covered in chapter 776 FL Statutes, whether it's in a home or anywhere and it provides that a person does not have a duty to retreat. Being a CCW holder doesn't change that.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I'm glad you don't dictate our laws I guess. You really think someone who steals deserves the death penalty? So you ignore IQ tests, personality tests, statistics, data, and anything that proves that people are a product of society.
    A person can blame society for his own dysfuntions all he wants. He can try to rationalize and reason away why he's a POS, but until he decides he is the one who can control his impulses, and he is the one who is responsible for his ****-ups, he will never amount to anything more than a victim in his own mind, and he will remain powerless to change for the better.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    As an adult I've had guns and more often knives pulled on me. ...
    You've have had some very unfortunate experiences. There is nothing I can do to fix anything, sorry. I can say that I'd be fortunate if you were around if I screwed up with an aggressor. I bet you do some of the same things I do. When we stop at a fast food place I automatically pick the best available seat where I can see the main entrance, the counter, the door to the kitchen then the parking lot. I bet you do the same thing, probably better than me.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Rape becomes a violent crime when someone says, "Hey! Stop raping that woman" and the person continues what he is doing.
    You have got to be freaking kidding. Jesus Christ. Rape is violent from the time the rape begins. I can't conceive that anyone doesn't understand that concept.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You have got to be freaking kidding. Jesus Christ. Rape is violent from the time the rape begins. I can't conceive that anyone doesn't understand that concept.
    He obviously has never seen DELIVERANCE

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I can address this directly because it happened to me. I was arrested for aggravated assault of a police officer. The fact of the matter was I was assaulted by the officer (for being the only black guy there no less) and was charged to cover his ass. It was pleaded down to misdemeanor assault, and I was given non reporting supervision for a year. If I could have afforded a real lawyer it would never have gotten that far. You see the judge, SA and officers all new it was a lie, but did not want me to sue the city and department. So you don't know the circumstance of the arrest or charges. This is why it must be a conviction.
    Do you think that was the case with this gentlman? I certainly must question his decision making process as stringently as I can. I am a concealed holder and I do NOT want the actions of one idiot to come to define the rest of us. If I were involved in a shooting I would be ok with having the proctoscope. It would take a lot to get me to pull. I certainly wouldn't be following a young male of African descent (because I wouldn't know his age and I am not a racist) down the street because he looked suspicious. Would you? The Stand Your Ground Law no longer applies in this situation if he pursued Treyvon (and he said he did).

    I am actually listening to the audio as I write this. The dispatcher asks him if he is following him. He says yes. The Dispatcher says we don't need you to do that. At that point...Zimmerman is no longer defending himself. Treyvon clearly knew he was being watched. He "walked towards Zimmerman" with his "hands in his waistband." That is a universal threat sign. Given that Zimmerman didn't pull I must question why not? Distance? Was it obvious that Treyvon didn't have a gun? How many people who carry on routine would ignore that? I see that as a threat indicator and alarms go off in my head. But once Treyvon runs (and Zimmmerman states this on the audio)...and the dispatcher tells him not to pursue...why then did he pursue? Understand I am not trying to delve into the legality of the situation around the shooting itself. I am questioning the decision making process of Zimmerman as far as the 911 call of Zimmerman's goes.

    Strictly putting myself into the shoes of Zimmerman...I could NOT reasonably pursue a young male who appeared suspicous or even ran away. That violates SEVERAL general rules of safety and more important...ignores the purpose behind stand your ground laws. If you want to go chasing criminals...get a badge and do it right.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    You are wrong about the plea bargain. A plea bargain is when a person agrees to plead guilty to a lesser charge in exchange for no jury trial. Z has no convictions.
    Justifiable use of Force is all covered in chapter 776 FL Statutes, whether it's in a home or anywhere and it provides that a person does not have a duty to retreat. Being a CCW holder doesn't change that.
    Still doesn't give you the right to pursue a suspect.
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