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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I'm glad you don't dictate our laws I guess. You really think someone who steals deserves the death penalty? So you ignore IQ tests, personality tests, statistics, data, and anything that proves that people are a product of society. How, again, are you a lawyer? And I'ma start telling Lawyers, "Hey, my name is Jryan online, if you recognize this, goodbye."


    Death penalty as in formal capital punishment? No.


    Shot dead in the act? Oh heck yes. Lots and lots more of this preferably. The more of this there is, the less crime there will be, period. The surest cure to crime is kill them in the act.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    frankly society would be better off if we wasted most violent criminals but I have seen enough people wrongly convicted to oppose the death penalty. But if someone tries to harm me or mine I will do everything in my power to kill them as fast as possible. Which is why I spend at least a couple hours a week training for that remote possibility. and pursesnatching is a violent crime and yeah if some tough knocks an old lady down and runs off with her purse and she puts a 9mm in the back of his head good riddance
    And thanks to people like you, I agree with everything you said here. I just don't think that anyone who is emotionally involved in a case can be a jury membor, as you would like (presuming).

    So you think all criminals should be shot then if the victim dictates it justifiable?

    Wow... You really need to take a look at psychology and how the brain works. There is a science to this turtledude, which you are ignoring...

    Just say "no" to science though I guess:

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    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Death penalty as in formal capital punishment? No.


    Shot dead in the act? Oh heck yes. Lots and lots more of this preferably. The more of this there is, the less crime there will be, period. The surest cure to crime is kill them in the act.
    So then you believe in pnishment (and I mean the fullest extent of the word)

    FYI, bout to sleep so I'll have to get back to you Goshin, Turtledude and those who respond tomorrow.

    Get rid of freewill and get rid of the notion of punishment. (I will reiterate that you can still remove them from society because we can't have crystal meth tweakers running around)
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    People like you need to read philosophy and need to start understanding things like psychology. I'll be honest, this post made me cringe in fear for my life...
    People like you need to get a grip on reality. You can use psychology or philosophy to excuse scum all you want, but scum is scum, until he stops being scum. There's a beautiful world out there, and there's some truly sick individuals whom the world would be better off without. I hope I never have to make the choice to kill someone who is threatening me or someone I love, or an innocent bystander, but you can bet the last dollar you have, that I will do just that, if the circumstances warrant it.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    People like you need to get a grip on reality. You can use psychology or philosophy to excuse scum all you want, but scum is scum, until he stops being scum. There's a beautiful world out there, and there's some truly sick individuals whom the world would be better off without. I hope I never have to make the choice to kill someone who is threatening me or someone I love, or an innocent bystander, but you can bet the last dollar you have, that I will do just that, if the circumstances warrant it.
    lol, just lol. You have no objective goal to understand how the human mind works. So why should I even try?

    I guess I will though because I do care about humanity and you are part of this society.

    Okay, so if you read this book, and accpeted its ideas, which you wont because you think you are better than this book, you would understand that we don't have freewill. We are merely a product of our society. If we are a product of our society, yes we should be detained but we shouldn't be punished, murdered, etc etc.

    BTW, I do belive you have started copy pasting thins to me. (You've made this EXACT same post to me, link if needed)
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    spread all over the pavement, along with anyone else who happens to be nearby.
    true-the one drawback to the scheme. maybe a command detonation-when the snatcher is not within 10 meters of anyone else hit the det switch

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    And thanks to people like you, I agree with everything you said here. I just don't think that anyone who is emotionally involved in a case can be a jury membor, as you would like (presuming).

    So you think all criminals should be shot then if the victim dictates it justifiable?

    Wow... You really need to take a look at psychology and how the brain works. There is a science to this turtledude, which you are ignoring...

    Just say "no" to science though I guess:

    American Sociological Association: Study: Conservatives
    the science I know is almost 30 years as an attorney with more than a passing familiarity with criminal prosecutions. Some people are pure evil. The more of them that get shot the better. and as I noted with a mad dog the issue isnt punishment but prevention. Most mad dogs aren't that way due to their own fault. But they still need to be put down if they attack people. If every rape victim stabbed shot or clubbed her assailant, if every shopkeeper who is the victim of an attempted robbery shotgunner the robber, guess what, the cost of incarceration would be much lower and society much safer.

    I am a huge believer of fight crime-shoot back

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    lol, just lol. You have no objective goal to understand how the human mind works. So why should I even try?

    I guess I will though because I do care about humanity and you are part of this society.

    Okay, so if you read this book, and accpeted its ideas, which you wont because you think you are better than this book, you would understand that we don't have freewill. We are merely a product of our society. If we are a product of our society, yes we should be detained but we shouldn't be punished, murdered, etc etc.

    BTW, I do belive you have started copy pasting thins to me. (You've made this EXACT same post to me, link if needed)


    An old notion, popular back before you were born, that we are merely "products of society" with little/no freewill. Was used to excuse and coddle criminals and misbehaving children and turned into a disaster. Discredited when I was still young.

    See what you miss when you have no life experience? Stuff you think is new and radical is actually old hat and long proven to be disasterous.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    lol, just lol. You have no objective goal to understand how the human mind works. So why should I even try?
    Oh, don't be mistaken, I understand very well how the human mind works. That still doesn't excuse violence against another person, unprovoked.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    So then you believe in pnishment (and I mean the fullest extent of the word)

    FYI, bout to sleep so I'll have to get back to you Goshin, Turtledude and those who respond tomorrow.

    Get rid of freewill and get rid of the notion of punishment. (I will reiterate that you can still remove them from society because we can't have crystal meth tweakers running around)

    I leave punishment to God.

    Dead crooks commit no new crimes, is my mantra on shooting them in the act.

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