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Thread: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    While I agree with this...I am not a fan of someone who has been charged with assault on an officer being allowed to have a concealed license. The guy clearly does not have a good history of decision making.

    I mean would you in your right mind assault an officer of the law? Or would you simply allow your lawyer to do that for you?
    I can address this directly because it happened to me. I was arrested for aggravated assault of a police officer. The fact of the matter was I was assaulted by the officer (for being the only black guy there no less) and was charged to cover his ass. It was pleaded down to misdemeanor assault, and I was given non reporting supervision for a year. If I could have afforded a real lawyer it would never have gotten that far. You see the judge, SA and officers all new it was a lie, but did not want me to sue the city and department. So you don't know the circumstance of the arrest or charges. This is why it must be a conviction.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Well, this is my opinion, I don't think stealing a purse from someone is a just reason to shoot them. Run them down and kick their ass, yeah probably...
    I always liked the thought of a woman carrying a purse with the ring of a Mark IV fragmentation grenade in her finger so when some asswipe grabs the purse the spoon throws and a few seconds later the purse snatcher is spread all over the pavement.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    lol, so you can "will" yourself, as a child, to not become a child molester. With NO outside influences.
    Irrelevant to my point and nothing but a strawman. Now if you want to address the actual points I made, I would be more than happy to reply.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I can address this directly because it happened to me. I was arrested for aggravated assault of a police officer. The fact of the matter was I was assaulted by the officer (for being the only black guy there no less) and was charged to cover his ass. It was pleaded down to misdemeanor assault, and I was given non reporting supervision for a year. If I could have afforded a real lawyer it would never have gotten that far. You see the judge, SA and officers all new it was a lie, but did not want me to sue the city and department. So you don't know the circumstance of the arrest or charges. This is why it must be a conviction.
    good point and this happens more than you would expect (maybe you would). Seen it more than a few times. So when I was dealing with witnesses and a black fellow told me his only rap was assault on a cop I didn't immediately see him as a mope or a scumbag because often I figured what really happened

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I always liked the thought of a woman carrying a purse with the ring of a Mark IV fragmentation grenade in her finger so when some asswipe grabs the purse the spoon throws and a few seconds later the purse snatcher is spread all over the pavement.
    I'm glad you don't dictate our laws I guess. You really think someone who steals deserves the death penalty? So you ignore IQ tests, personality tests, statistics, data, and anything that proves that people are a product of society. How, again, are you a lawyer? And I'ma start telling Lawyers, "Hey, my name is Jryan online, if you recognize this, goodbye."
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Irrelevant to my point and nothing but a strawman. Now if you want to address the actual points I made, I would be more than happy to reply.
    Ah, I was strawmaned so I thought I could strawman :\.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I'm glad you don't dictate our laws I guess. You really think someone who steals deserves the death penalty? So you ignore IQ tests, personality tests, statistics, data, and anything that proves that people are a product of society. How, again, are you a lawyer? And I'ma start telling Lawyers, "Hey, my name is Jryan online, if you recognize this, goodbye."
    frankly society would be better off if we wasted most violent criminals but I have seen enough people wrongly convicted to oppose the death penalty. But if someone tries to harm me or mine I will do everything in my power to kill them as fast as possible. Which is why I spend at least a couple hours a week training for that remote possibility. and pursesnatching is a violent crime and yeah if some tough knocks an old lady down and runs off with her purse and she puts a 9mm in the back of his head good riddance

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    good point and this happens more than you would expect (maybe you would). Seen it more than a few times. So when I was dealing with witnesses and a black fellow told me his only rap was assault on a cop I didn't immediately see him as a mope or a scumbag because often I figured what really happened
    It happens to often. It is called "creative report writing" and it is used to keep the law suits down, revenge and a whole host of other things. Unfortunatly not much you can do about it. To many good officers around to hold a grudge against them all for a few dishonest officers.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Ah, I was strawmaned so I thought I could strawman :\.
    Not by me. You mite want to read my post again.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I always liked the thought of a woman carrying a purse with the ring of a Mark IV fragmentation grenade in her finger so when some asswipe grabs the purse the spoon throws and a few seconds later the purse snatcher is spread all over the pavement.
    spread all over the pavement, along with anyone else who happens to be nearby.
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