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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I know how you feel. Something inside just makes a person wish he could pull out a baton as a dildo and see if it possible to change his mind about that.
    Maybe I have been viewing it wrong Goshin. :bow: Sorry for taking your time.
    (That's what I responded)

    But I will extend my apologies to those who were debating it against me.

    (Lol, I don't go to the basement but I think I found the 8 words or less to offend dpers)
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I was going to respond to this, then I realized, all the gun toaters on this thread think it is okay for a person to use lethal force on a criminal but would probably start a lynch mob if they found out a cop had used lethal force on their son who was shop lifting a candy bar.

    A kid shoplifting a candy bar is one thing.


    A thug stealing a woman's purse is another.

    We had one of those at the mall nearby a few years back.... the woman was elderly, the purse strap was around her neck, and the perp severely injured her yanking until the purse came loose.

    Mischevious children need a talking to and an ass-whuppin'. That purse-snatcher needed to be shot.

    By the time you're 15 or 16, you by-golly ought to know that stealing is no joke and that Bad Things may happen to you if you do it.

    Burglary, armed robbery, grand larceny, strong arm robbery and auto theft are not fun childhood games, they are felonies, and the risk of someone (perhaps someone innocent) getting hurt or killed is high. I have little sympathy for a thief that gets shot dead in the act.

    Stealing a Snickers bar when you're 10 isn't comparable.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A kid shoplifting a candy bar is one thing.


    A thug stealing a woman's purse is another.

    We had one of those at the mall nearby a few years back.... the woman was elderly, the purse strap was around her neck, and the perp severely injured her yanking until the purse came loose.

    Mischevious children need a talking to and an ass-whuppin'. That purse-snatcher needed to be shot.

    By the time you're 15 or 16, you by-golly ought to know that stealing is no joke and that Bad Things may happen to you if you do it.

    Burglary, armed robbery, grand larceny, strong arm robbery and auto theft are not fun childhood games, they are felonies, and the risk of someone (perhaps someone innocent) getting hurt or killed is high. I have little sympathy for a thief that gets shot dead in the act.

    Stealing a Snickers bar when you're 10 isn't comparable.
    Well, this is my opinion, I don't think stealing a purse from someone is a just reason to shoot them. Run them down and kick their ass, yeah probably...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Also, I like how you say what you did. It's almost like you could care less about someone else s political ideology. If they don't submit to yours then they believe in the wrong thing.
    I'm only interested in the political ideologies of people who have at least the slightest semblance of knowing what they're talking about. Saying that rape is not a violent crime is not an ideological issue, it is an issue of pig****ing stupidity that invalidates any point that it is associated with.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Sorry I don't have time to fully respond...but Zimmerman had plea bargained charges on his records (things that should have been felonies but were reduced).
    Unless they are felony convictions or any conviction for a crime of domestic battery it does not matter. Being arrested and charged has no affect on your ability to purchase a weapon legally, convictions are all that matter.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    As an adult I've had guns and more often knives pulled on me. Yet there is only one time as an adult I pulled a gun on anyone, closest I came to killing someone, and that person was unarmed.

    There are only a few things of topics I feel strongly about that may come on the forum. 1.) sexual assault, assaults against children and - circumstantially - non-sexual violence against women; 2.) pro-choice and 3.) gay rights, although not militantly.

    I arrived at the scene of an extremely violent sexual assault of a young woman I knew extremely well, the assault fortunately stopped by three others - two men and a woman - only seconds before. Walking into that scene and realizing the who and what of it, I threw the assailant against the hard wall so hard he probably dazed unconscious momentarily and in the same motion drew my 45 chambering and cocking it to against his head. But the woman cried out louding in terrible pain, shifting my focus to her from my own rage and I felt that loudness of the gunshot would add more shock and stress in what was to become her battling for her life in the hospital, the injuries that great.

    The first two arriving local officers who also knew her, beat him unconscious - chalking it up to "resisting arrest" in their report. No one cared.

    This isn't NYC where than SOB as a first time offender probably would get 6 years and then be released in 14 months on shock probation after some sex offenders counseling program. He got the max on 3 sentences - aggravated sexual assault, attempted murder and burglary of a residence - each to run consecutively - which is Florida adds up to forever - and the judge and prosecutor both adding letters to the file for any future probation board that due to the nature of the crime he should never be granted probation. After sentencing back in his cell, in front of many officers, he was told that should he ever somehow get released decades from now and return here, they WILL kill him.

    Although the majority of adults are now senior Yankee transplates, the generational old good ole boys and gals still have their ways they always have had. There are certain crimes, most notable extreme child injury, for which it is well understood that IF the cops get to that person first - but then later if that person ever came back here he would be killed and fed to the wild hogs as a missing person. Its always been that way for certain extreme crimes against children and women - generation to generation. And to be honest, I'm perfectly fine with that, but - circumstantially - I've always believed in jungle law in extreme instances anyway.

    Were I on a jury and a person killed someone he saw someone released from prison who had AGGRAVATEDLY (not statutory/date) raped his wife, daughter, mother, or the same of a best friend or close relative, there's not a chance in hell I'd vote to convict. I'd call it "temporary insanity" and maybe when done and out of the courtroom thank that person for removing that person from our community.

    The repeat rate for sex offenders is very high and even higher if against children.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    As an adult I've had guns and more often knives pulled on me. Yet there is only one time as an adult I pulled a gun on anyone, closest I came to killing someone, and that person was unarmed.

    There are only a few things of topics I feel strongly about that may come on the forum. 1.) sexual assault, assaults against children and - circumstantially - non-sexual violence against women; 2.) pro-choice and 3.) gay rights, although not militantly.

    I arrived at the scene of an extremely violent sexual assault of a young woman I knew extremely well, the assault fortunately stopped by three others - two men and a woman - only seconds before. Walking into that scene and realizing the who and what of it, I threw the assailant against the hard wall so hard he probably dazed unconscious momentarily and in the same motion drew my 45 chambering and cocking it to against his head. But the woman cried out louding in terrible pain, shifting my focus to her from my own rage and I felt that loudness of the gunshot would add more shock and stress in what was to become her battling for her life in the hospital, the injuries that great.

    The first two arriving local officers who also knew her, beat him unconscious - chalking it up to "resisting arrest" in their report. No one cared.

    This isn't NYC where than SOB as a first time offender probably would get 6 years and then be released in 14 months on shock probation after some sex offenders counseling program. He got the max on 3 sentences - aggravated sexual assault, attempted murder and burglary of a residence - each to run consecutively - which is Florida adds up to forever - and the judge and prosecutor both adding letters to the file for any future probation board that due to the nature of the crime he should never be granted probation. After sentencing back in his cell, in front of many officers, he was told that should he ever somehow get released decades from now and return here, they WILL kill him.

    Although the majority of adults are now senior Yankee transplates, the generational old good ole boys and gals still have their ways they always have had. There are certain crimes, most notable extreme child injury, for which it is well understood that IF the cops get to that person first - but then later if that person ever came back here he would be killed and fed to the wild hogs as a missing person. Its always been that way for certain extreme crimes against children and women - generation to generation. And to be honest, I'm perfectly fine with that, but - circumstantially - I've always believed in jungle law in extreme instances anyway.

    Were I on a jury and a person killed someone he saw someone released from prison who had AGGRAVATEDLY (not statutory/date) raped his wife, daughter, mother, or the same of a best friend or close relative, there's not a chance in hell I'd vote to convict. I'd call it "temporary insanity" and maybe when done and out of the courtroom thank that person for removing that person from our community.

    The repeat rate for sex offenders is very high and even higher if against children.
    People like you need to read philosophy and need to start understanding things like psychology. I'll be honest, this post made me cringe in fear for my life...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    People like you need to read philosophy and need to start understanding things like psychology. I'll be honest, this post made me cringe in fear for my life...
    Why? Are you a child molester or rapist? If not you would have nothing to worry about. Being an X LEO myself I have first hand experience with officers who did things like what he mentioned. I must admit I never took part, but even I overlooked a thing or two when it involved a sexual predator. I do not condone his actions, but I will say...

    You may want to read a book on psychology yourself. One of the first things they teach you in Psyc 101 is that character flaw's have no cure. Guess which one rapists and child predators belong to? Philosophy will do nothing. A bunch of mental masturbation is all it amounts to.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Why? Are you a child molester or rapist? If not you would have nothing to worry about. Being an X LEO myself I have first hand experience with officers who did things like what he mentioned. I must admit I never took part, but even I overlooked a thing or two when it involved a sexual predator. I do not condone his actions, but I will say...

    You may want to read a book on psychology yourself. One of the first things they teach you in Psyc 101 is that character flaw's have no cure. Guess which one rapists and child predators belong to? Philosophy will do nothing. A bunch of mental masturbation is all it amounts to.
    lol, so you can "will" yourself, as a child, to not become a child molester. With NO outside influences.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Unless they are felony convictions or any conviction for a crime of domestic battery it does not matter. Being arrested and charged has no affect on your ability to purchase a weapon legally, convictions are all that matter.
    While I agree with this...I am not a fan of someone who has been charged with assault on an officer being allowed to have a concealed license. The guy clearly does not have a good history of decision making.

    I mean would you in your right mind assault an officer of the law? Or would you simply allow your lawyer to do that for you?
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