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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Joseph, Mary and Bocephus, son.... you stun me with your capacity for pontificating on what you know not.

    How do you know an armed citizen would not first call out a warning to cease and desist? They might well do so.

    How do you know a cop would not shoot first, in some situations? I can think of some where I would have.

    It's not all cut and dried, black and white. There is more under heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio.

    Calling rape not-violent is an insult to those who have suffered it btw, and they will not thank you for it.
    Maybe I have been viewing it wrong Goshin. :bow: Sorry for taking your time.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Maybe i'm just ignorant, but from what I've read the Florida Stand Your Ground law does not explicitly elucidate a duty to retreat. Correct me if I'm wrong..
    If you are a concealed weapon holder you have a duty to retreat. Essentially that does NOT mean that you cannot use the weapon, or that you must ALWAYS run away. It means that you should be using your concealed weapon to retreat (get to a location of safety). In the instance of Stand Your Ground...I take that as meaning you have no option BUT to defend yourself, OR in some situations while you may have an ability to get away...the prudent course of action would be to stand your ground. It says it pretty clearly in the documentation that you receive with your concealed license.

    In addition, the Florida law does not only apply to situations within your own home, but in open and public spaces as well
    Castle Doctrine is what dictates deadly force in the home. Public spaces it does not apply. Stand your ground does, as does concealed carry legislation. In the instance of Zimmerman...he pursued Trayvon. That is pretty evident. That alone says he should not have been there. Pursuing a criminal by a concealed carry holder should only happen if it is an active shooter or a situation where the person is CLEARLY harming another person.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Rape becomes a violent crime when someone says, "Hey! Stop raping that woman" and the person continues what he is doing. This is exactly the reason we have cops so we don't get people running around like a militia. Cops are trained in how to handle situations, the average person with a gun is not. I'm merely arguing that this law allows someone to just shoot a rapist before giving warning.

    Also, I like how you say what you did. It's almost like you could care less about someone else s political ideology. If they don't submit to yours then they believe in the wrong thing.

    OMG, Jryan.

    So while someone is on top of you, jamming his thing into your orfice against your will, holding you down and forcibly violating you, that ISN'T a violent crime until someone yells "stop?"

    I cannot speak, if I do I will flame.

    You need to listen more and talk less.

    You should also start running NOW before the rape victims on DP catch up with you.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    The only "rape" arguable not a violent crime is statutory rape (one of them technically too young). All other sexual assault in a violent crime, no exceptions.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    I went to a Tea Party once and there were a couple hundred people there with I'd say 20% armed. No one got shot and we had a nice peaceful afternoon. That's all I know. Now if someone would have thought of grabbing some lady's purse and running away with it, I couldn't guarantee anything.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    OMG, Jryan.

    So while someone is on top of you, jamming his thing into your orfice against your will, holding you down and forcibly violating you, that ISN'T a violent crime until someone yells "stop?"

    I cannot speak, if I do I will flame.

    You need to listen more and talk less.

    You should also start running NOW before the rape victims on DP catch up with you.
    You probably hadn't read this post yet:
    Maybe I have been viewing it wrong Goshin. :bow: Sorry for taking your time.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I also live in Florida. I am a certified in the state of Florida as a Security officer and I have my CCW.

    The Castle law removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked or someone enters your home, car and place of work or business criminally. Like breaking in through a window. The Stand Your Ground law covers everything else.The stand your ground law just like the castle law does not specify any need to retreat at all from a place you can legally be, period.

    You can see the actual laws here:

    Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine



    If Zimmerman was indeed attacked while returning to his car, he is not guilty at all. He had just as much right to be there as Treyvon, and if Treyvon attacked him was under no obligation to retreat under the law. It is still not illegal to follow someone on the sidewalk as far as the law goes. So even if Zimmer was following Treyvon, he should not have been attacked.

    As for his criminal record. Only 3 things can stop you from owning a gun in Florida. Being forcibly committed into a mental institution. Being convicted of a felony or crime of domestic violence even if a misdemeanor.

    PS Zimmer does not appear to have anything on his record that would disqualify him from owning a firearm.
    Sorry I don't have time to fully respond...but Zimmerman had plea bargained charges on his records (things that should have been felonies but were reduced).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Yeah, but a cop isn't just going to see someone being raped and then whip out their pistol and start shooting before saying a word to the offender...
    Circumstantially some would if a violent struggle in which unquestionably is rape. And legally so. An officer would justified to use deadly force if necessary to stop the assault lasting one more second than the officer could prevent.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal N. Bloeme View Post
    I went to a Tea Party once and there were a couple hundred people there with I'd say 20% armed. No one got shot and we had a nice peaceful afternoon. That's all I know. Now if someone would have thought of grabbing some lady's purse and running away with it, I couldn't guarantee anything.
    I was going to respond to this, then I realized, all the gun toaters on this thread think it is okay for a person to use lethal force on a criminal but would probably start a lynch mob if they found out a cop had used lethal force on their son who was shop lifting a candy bar.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
    -Jryan

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    OMG, Jryan.

    So while someone is on top of you, jamming his thing into your orfice against your will, holding you down and forcibly violating you, that ISN'T a violent crime until someone yells "stop?"

    I cannot speak, if I do I will flame.

    You need to listen more and talk less.

    You should also start running NOW before the rape victims on DP catch up with you.

    I know how you feel. Something inside just makes a person wish he could pull out a baton as a dildo, duct tape his mouth so he can't yell "stop" and see if it possible to change his thinking.
    Last edited by joko104; 04-05-12 at 06:37 PM.

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