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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    As a Resident of the State of Florida for my ENTIRE life, a Gun Owner, A Concealed Weapon Permit Owner, and as a Citizen of the United States I 100% agree with the Florida law. The entire trayvon thing going on...was CLEARLY a violation of Florida law. There is a duty to retreat when that is an option, and standing your ground is only allowed when you cannot retreat (as in into your vehicle, your home). What happened to Trayvon was a disgrace because the man pursued Trayvon. Not to mention Zimmerman should not be allowed to have a gun because of his criminal record.

    Anyway. The Florida law is GREAT.
    Maybe i'm just ignorant, but from what I've read the Florida Stand Your Ground law does not explicitly elucidate a duty to retreat. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    In addition, the Florida law does not only apply to situations within your own home, but in open and public spaces as well.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    As a Resident of the State of Florida for my ENTIRE life, a Gun Owner, A Concealed Weapon Permit Owner, and as a Citizen of the United States I 100% agree with the Florida law.
    I also live in Florida. I am a certified in the state of Florida as a Security officer and I have my CCW.

    The Castle law removes the "duty to retreat" if you are attacked or someone enters your home, car and place of work or business criminally. Like breaking in through a window. The Stand Your Ground law covers everything else.The stand your ground law just like the castle law does not specify any need to retreat at all from a place you can legally be, period.

    You can see the actual laws here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    The entire trayvon thing going on...was CLEARLY a violation of Florida law. There is a duty to retreat when that is an option, and standing your ground is only allowed when you cannot retreat (as in into your vehicle, your home). What happened to Trayvon was a disgrace because the man pursued Trayvon. Not to mention Zimmerman should not be allowed to have a gun because of his criminal record.

    Anyway. The Florida law is GREAT.
    If Zimmerman was indeed attacked while returning to his car, he is not guilty at all. He had just as much right to be there as Treyvon, and if Treyvon attacked him was under no obligation to retreat under the law. It is still not illegal to follow someone on the sidewalk as far as the law goes. So even if Zimmer was following Treyvon, he should not have been attacked.

    As for his criminal record. Only 3 things can stop you from owning a gun in Florida. Being forcibly committed into a mental institution. Being convicted of a felony or crime of domestic violence even if a misdemeanor.

    PS Zimmer does not appear to have anything on his record that would disqualify him from owning a firearm.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post


    Rape is a violent crime.

    In most jurisdictions you can shoot (as a cop, or as a private citizen) in order to prevent a violent felony from occurring in your presense.

    You really ought to study up on this stuff before taking an entrenched position.
    Yeah, but a cop isn't just going to see someone being raped and then whip out their pistol and start shooting before saying a word to the offender...
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    (in non-violent acts, which rape is NOT violent unless the rapist takes it to another level).
    This is why your opinion on self-defense matters is entirely irrelevant.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    It's too bad Zimmerman didn't use his pistol on these guys instead:

    Two arrested in brutal hammer beating in Seminole


    A tip to Crimeline has led to the arrests of two men in a brutal beating that occurred a week ago in the Midway community east of Sanford.

    Julius Ricardo Bender, 18, and Yahaziel Isaac Israel, 19, face charges of attempted first-degree murder, burglary with assault or battery and armed burglary.
    The victim, a 50-year-old Winter Springs man whose name has not been released, is on life-support at Orlando Regional Medical Center.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    now in either case it might not be the "dog's" fault but it still needs killing.
    This. So much this. I don't care about punishment and I don't understand why you do-- the only things I'm interested in are making the victim right, to the extent that it is legally possible, and preventing similar offenses from being committed in the future by the perpetrator or by other potential perpetrators.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's too bad Zimmerman didn't use his pistol on these guys instead:
    Whether he was right or wrong in this case-- and I'm leaning wrong-- I'm certain that if he had been present at that case he would have saved that man's life. I've seen no evidence to suggest that Mr. Zimmerman is a bad man.

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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's also a good argument for the proliferation of the Second Amendment. If everyone is packing a gun and committing a felony against another is grounds to get shot, people would obey the law much more and more easily.

    As far as I'm concerned, killing someone who is robbing or attacking you is cleaning the gene pool with a great success rate.
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    This is why your opinion on self-defense matters is entirely irrelevant.
    Rape becomes a violent crime when someone says, "Hey! Stop raping that woman" and the person continues what he is doing. This is exactly the reason we have cops so we don't get people running around like a militia. Cops are trained in how to handle situations, the average person with a gun is not. I'm merely arguing that this law allows someone to just shoot a rapist before giving warning.

    Also, I like how you say what you did. It's almost like you could care less about someone else s political ideology. If they don't submit to yours then they believe in the wrong thing.
    Last edited by Jryan; 04-05-12 at 06:17 PM.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    re: Florida Law on use of deadly force [W:390]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    Yeah, but a cop isn't just going to see someone being raped and then whip out their pistol and start shooting before saying a word to the offender...


    Joseph, Mary and Bocephus, son.... you stun me with your capacity for pontificating on what you know not.

    How do you know an armed citizen would not first call out a warning to cease and desist? They might well do so.

    How do you know a cop would not shoot first, in some situations? I can think of some where I would have.

    It's not all cut and dried, black and white. There is more under heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio.

    Calling rape not-violent is an insult to those who have suffered it btw, and they will not thank you for it.

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