View Poll Results: Should the Government have the power to take this life?

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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    OscarB63 made the following comment in jest, and it got me wondering.
    Kill Zimmermam NOW or there will be riots.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060344097

    Question.
    If a person's death would prevent riots that would result in many more deaths and property damage; Should the Government have the power to take this life?
    Yes, only if loss of life is imminent.
    No.
    Yes, to prevent both property damage and loss of life.
    No. The Government should kill the rioters.



    Why?
    Why not?
    Not only no, but Hell NO.
    Killing an individual to appease a group should never happen, without showing just cause via the legal/justice system, and that would be independent of any group pressure whatsoever. The very thought pisses me off.
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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    OscarB63 made the following comment in jest, and it got me wondering.
    Kill Zimmermam NOW or there will be riots.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060344097

    Question.
    If a person's death would prevent riots that would result in many more deaths and property damage; Should the Government have the power to take this life?
    Yes, only if loss of life is imminent.
    No.
    Yes, to prevent both property damage and loss of life.
    No. The Government should kill the rioters.



    Why?
    Why not?
    What? Are you talking a hypothetical person or Zimmerman himself? If you're asking if the government should have the right to murder an individual who has not been charged or convicted of a crime just to prevent a riot, that's ludicrous. Of course the government has no such right and should never have such a right.

    People who riot and cause property damage, injury, death ARE guilty of a crime. If and when they perpetrate that crime, regardless of the reason for the riot, they should be arrested and tried for those crimes. Certainly they should not be gunned down in the streets by a hail of police automatic weapons fire until no bodies are left standing or twitching.

    I'm not getting the reasoning behind this OP, frankly. It's puzzling.

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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Not only no, but Hell NO.
    Killing an individual to appease a group should never happen, without showing just cause via the legal/justice system, and that would be independent of any group pressure whatsoever. The very thought pisses me off.
    Then be pissed off.
    At some point the percentage of the populace would be too great for the Gov to refuse or end up killing them en masse.



    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    What? Are you talking a hypothetical person or Zimmerman himself?
    Although the statement made about Zimmerman was the catalyst for my question, I thought it was clear I was talking about a hypothetical.



    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    People who riot and cause property damage, injury, death ARE guilty of a crime. If and when they perpetrate that crime, regardless of the reason for the riot, they should be arrested and tried for those crimes. Certainly they should not be gunned down in the streets by a hail of police automatic weapons fire until no bodies are left standing or twitching.

    I'm not getting the reasoning behind this OP, frankly. It's puzzling.
    Actually I am glad you are puzzled.

    At some percentage point the Gov. would have to listen to the people or end up killing them en masse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    OscarB63 made the following comment in jest, and it got me wondering.
    Kill Zimmermam NOW or there will be riots.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060344097

    Question.
    If a person's death would prevent riots that would result in many more deaths and property damage; Should the Government have the power to take this life?
    Yes, only if loss of life is imminent.
    No.
    Yes, to prevent both property damage and loss of life.
    No. The Government should kill the rioters.



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    absolutely not!

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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Then be pissed off.
    At some point the percentage of the populace would be too great for the Gov to refuse or end up killing them en masse.
    Then so be it. I would never support killing an innocent man to appease the masses, without due process and legitimate conviction, completely separate from the influences of the masses. This is a question of whether the end justifies the means, and the end never justifies the means if the means required are unethical.
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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Then be pissed off.
    At some point the percentage of the populace would be too great for the Gov to refuse or end up killing them en masse.




    Although the statement made about Zimmerman was the catalyst for my question, I thought it was clear I was talking about a hypothetical.



    Actually I am glad you are puzzled.

    At some percentage point the Gov. would have to listen to the people or end up killing them en masse.
    The part of my post responding to that presumption is the same part of my post you chose not to quote or address:

    "If you're asking if the government should have the right to murder an individual who has not been charged or convicted of a crime just to prevent a riot, that's ludicrous. Of course the government has no such right and should never have such a right."
    Last edited by DiAnna; 03-30-12 at 09:55 PM.

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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The part of my post responding to that presumption is the same part of my post you chose not to quote or address:

    "If you're asking if the government should have the right to murder an individual who has not been charged or convicted of a crime just to prevent a riot, that's ludicrous. Of course the government has no such right and should never have such a right."
    Its way too easy to abuse.

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    Re: Should the Government

    Thatnk you all for participating in my first Poll.
    It appears to me that I could have worded my question better.

    What I was trying to get at was, once a situation reaches a certain point (not if that point is ever reached) the Gov has only two choices.
    Abide by the people's wishes or suffer the consequences.

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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    but in this case , i believe that all they want is not a life but a true justice system.
    It looks to me like they don't want justice, but rather want revenge, based on an emotional reaction to a case they did not witness. This is the problem with how the media has been presenting this event from the beginning. People are making wild assumptions without having the facts of what happened.
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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    What I was trying to get at was, once a situation reaches a certain point (not if that point is ever reached) the Gov has only two choices.
    Abide by the people's wishes or suffer the consequences.
    My personal standpoint is one of principle. We have a system of laws in this country, and the wishes of the group should never override the system of justice. Every man is entitled to his day in court, no matter how damning the anecdotal evidence or how emotionally charged the population. In this country, our justice system was devised to protect the individual, not concede to the emotions of the group.
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