View Poll Results: Should the Government have the power to take this life?

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  • Yes, to prevent both property damage and loss of life.

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  • No. The Government should kill the rioters.

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    Re: Should the Government

    The answer is no.But if the government should kill anyone it should be the rioters.
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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    just google the la riots,this wouldnt be the first time the media and politicians blew something so out of proportion and caused riots for ratings.
    I disagree. The media is just representing long held beliefs or views and a single story becomes the focal point. Those LA riots were due to long held beliefs by populations in that area and by actions long term by LA police.

    Just like the Martin shooting is based on a long held belief that justice is applied unfairly to different groups.
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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The answer is no.But if the government should kill anyone it should be the rioters.
    what kind of rioters?

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    Re: Should the Government

    I think I am seeing a lot of knee-jerk reactions.

    If the only way to prevent 1000 deaths was by taking one life?
    I know which way I lean on that.

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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    what kind of rioters?
    How about the rioters in this situation.
    The ones that are rioting because the Gov hasn't taken a life.

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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    How about the rioters in this situation.
    The ones that are rioting because the Gov hasn't taken a life.
    maybe those who riot want a real justice rather than a life and they try to attract attention of people by means of such bluff

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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I think I am seeing a lot of knee-jerk reactions.

    If the only way to prevent 1000 deaths was by taking one life?
    I know which way I lean on that.
    How would one have the foresight to pull this off? How would it not be abused or misapplied?

    This would be a whole pile of cobblestones on the road to tyranny. We have the right to assemble, we have the right to demonstrate. Givjng the government the power to potentially intervene on these rights (to the point of preemptive executions!?!?) because they can claim there is a potential for lives to be lost if the instigators are not executed? as others have already said HELL NO!!!!!!!!

    edit: Kent State comes to mind here. Do we really want a proliferation of similar events? We have Non-lethal means of suppression if things get out of hand, if the government started in on preemptive executions it would be the beginning of many very dark days in our country with escalation of conflicts and even more lives lost as a result.
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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    OscarB63 made the following comment in jest, and it got me wondering.
    Kill Zimmermam NOW or there will be riots.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1060344097

    Question.
    If a person's death would prevent riots that would result in many more deaths and property damage; Should the Government have the power to take this life?
    Yes, only if loss of life is imminent.
    No.
    Yes, to prevent both property damage and loss of life.
    No. The Government should kill the rioters.



    Why?
    Why not?
    Not without due process.
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    Re: Should the Government

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    maybe those who riot want a real justice rather than a life and they try to attract attention of people by means of such bluff
    Sorry.
    My scenario. They wanted the persons life or they were going to riot and kill people.




    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    How would one have the foresight to pull this off?
    Beats me. I am just asking.



    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    How would it not be abused or misapplied?
    Absolutely.
    Once given into, that's it.
    Best option is to kill the protesters.



    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    We have the right to assemble, we have the right to demonstrate.
    That right is "peaceably to assemble". Not to riot and take life.

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    Re: Should the Government

    Absolutely not. The government must be constrained in the force it can exert against the individual. There is no way in hell they should be allowed to arbitrarily kill a possible innocent individual without due process for something as vague as “greater good”. If others choose to riot and act out, those actions are on them; they are the ones who make that choice. The government cannot be permitted to randomly execute individuals for some “public safety”.
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