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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    This 2,700 page joke that the supremes are going to throw in the trash never had to happen if Dem's could just be honest about what they want and that is single payer. Our health care system is a mess and in a civilized country health care should be a right not a privilege of wealth at least on an intellectual level. If obama and Dem's would have said we want single payer and here is how much your taxes will go up and here is how it will work I would have listened. That way we could have had an honest debate and been able to weigh what we currently pay for health insurance against how much our taxes would go up to fund a single payer system. Instead they chose this back door smoke and mirrors back room deal making mess that wasted 4 years of our time and money.

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yes, I know it is normal liberal mantra to suggest others do not 'get it' or 'understand'. It is a part of that whole making fun of and name calling which takes the place of actual content and personal thoughts.
    It isn't liberal or conservative to not acknowledge realities as you are doing. The fact is knowledgeable and honest people on both sides have real disagreements. Pretending that this isn't so is what I'm calling you on.

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It isn't liberal or conservative to not acknowledge realities as you are doing. The fact is knowledgeable and honest people on both sides have real disagreements. Pretending that this isn't so is what I'm calling you on.
    You are not calling me on anything. You are dodging and diverting. I'd guess you've done it in the range of 18000+ times around here. As I said, it is quite transparent.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The question I have is why is the mandate in such question when you are already mandated to pay into social security?
    That one blatantly unconstitutional and fraudulent scam has been forced upon us, and has withstood any legal challenges, is not a very good argument in favor of another.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The mistake made by some many "Constitution lovers"..
    These problems, these situations simply did not exist at the time of the Constitution...So how in the world could the framers have written anything.
    Yes, they did, actually. They wrote into the Constitution specific provisions for amending it as necessary, to deal with circumstances unforeseen at the time that the original document was written.

    If there is a solid enough body of public opinion to the effect that the federal government needs to be granted some new power not originally granted, then the process exists by which to amend the Constitution in order to grant it this new power.


    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    News flash !
    Today, things are different...
    And, its our government's responsibility to handle this care of the people - but only the financial end...IN MY OPINION.
    No, it is the responsibility of individuals to see to their own needs and those of their families.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    We live on a little ranch,
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    and as abhorrent as this is going to sound,

    I'd like to be "recycled."

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    This 2,700 page joke that the supremes are going to throw in the trash never had to happen if Dem's could just be honest about what they want and that is single payer. Our health care system is a mess and in a civilized country health care should be a right not a privilege of wealth at least on an intellectual level. If obama and Dem's would have said we want single payer and here is how much your taxes will go up and here is how it will work I would have listened. That way we could have had an honest debate and been able to weigh what we currently pay for health insurance against how much our taxes would go up to fund a single payer system. Instead they chose this back door smoke and mirrors back room deal making mess that wasted 4 years of our time and money.
    So if "Obama and the Dems" would have wasted their time pushing a bill that both you and they knew perfectly well couldn't have passed, you would have "listened." Wow, are you not generous. Somehow I think they were less concerned with whether or not you personally would "listen" for five minutes than they were with creating actual health care reform that could actually pass.

    Unfortunately it's now clear that ANY workable health care reform was going to be challenged in court. It didn't matter what it contained, how flimsy the legal ground, or what precedent would indicate. Republicans were hellbent on preventing health care reform, period, and would stop at nothing to achieve it. And unfortunately it looks like they may have convinced the Supreme Court to go along with it.

    It's fun to speculate what bull**** reason they might have come up with to challenge single-payer health care, had it actually passed Congress. And don't say that no one disputes its legality...what you really mean is that no one disputes its legality NOW, as was the case of the individual mandate just 3 years ago. If it actually became a law, you can bet that Republican politicians and conservative ideologues would be able to invent some constitutional reason out of thin air why it's somehow different than Medicare or the VA. And unfortunately I no longer have any confidence that the judicial system wouldn't have bought whatever bull**** they threw at it.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Not really. We have the most difficult to amend constitution in the entire world. The only reason our system is able to function at all is because we typically DON'T follow the original intent of the Constitution.
    So someone admits openly that the constitution is not followed that supports growing government. Finally...

    Thanks for being honest unlike everybody else that supports what you support.

    However, where is your proof that the country couldn't function if the law of the land was actually followed?

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Not really. We have the most difficult to amend constitution in the entire world. The only reason our system is able to function at all is because we typically DON'T follow the original intent of the Constitution.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So someone admits openly that the constitution is not followed that supports growing government. Finally...

    Thanks for being honest unlike everybody else that supports what you support.
    Actually I said that the original intent is not followed. That is not the same as saying the Constitution is not followed. Nice try though!

    However, where is your proof that the country couldn't function if the law of the land was actually followed?
    We have an 18th century document (with a few more recent amendments) that is simply outdated for today's world, if one were to follow the original intent of the law. Furthermore, the amendment process is generally not a workable solution; our constitutional amendment process is somewhere between extremely difficult and nearly impossible. Since the Bill of Rights, our Constitution has been amended only 17 additional times...and many of those amendments were for minor things. The last time it was amended for anything important was 1920.

    As a result, we are left with two choices: Stick with our 18th century document as is, or do not rely on a fundamentalist interpretation. And I hope that you aren't seriously going to suggest that sticking with a 200+ year old document as is, which hasn't even had an important amendment in nearly 100 years, is a viable model of governance in 2012.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Actually I said that the original intent is not followed. That is not the same as saying the Constitution is not followed. Nice try though!
    So how do you follow something when you ignore what it means? Care to tell me?

    We have an 18th century document (with a few more recent amendments) that is simply outdated for today's world, if one were to follow the original intent of the law. Furthermore, the amendment process is generally not a workable solution; our constitutional amendment process is somewhere between extremely difficult and nearly impossible. Since the Bill of Rights, our Constitution has been amended only 17 additional times...and many of those amendments were for minor things. The last time it was amended for anything important was 1920.

    As a result, we are left with two choices: Stick with our 18th century document as is, or do not rely on a fundamentalist interpretation. And I hope that you aren't seriously going to suggest that sticking with a 200+ year old document as is, which hasn't even had an important amendment in nearly 100 years, is a viable model of governance in 2012.
    All you just did was say it was outdated AGAIN. Thanks for nothing.

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