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Thread: Mandated Burial Plot

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yet, if you guess wrong, someone else will have to carry you.
    So you make me buy this stuff for death because you know for sure that I will use it or utilize it. If I were in an accident that my body was never recovered then what? You going to give me my money back?

    It doesn't come down to guess work.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's not that it wasn't the intent or the ultimate goal of those who pushed for health care reform on the left. The issue was simply that they didn't have the votes needed to make it happen, even despite their super majority in congress. They didn't even have the votes and support needed to get their initial drafts of this version of health care reform done and had to continue to water it down. If they had the votes to get single payer I'm sure that's the direction they would've gone....even with a super majority, they simply didn't have the needed support for that.
    I never said the democrats were competent. If they were they probably could have gotten it done. It's just shows their incompetence that they couldn't with a freaking supermajority.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Yes, really. It was made difficult to amend for a reason: To avoid stupid amendments thrown through at a whim.
    Unfortunately it also means that plenty of sensible amendments cannot be passed. There's no way that our government could continue to function with an 18th-century constitution that is so difficult to amend, if we actually tried to follow the original intent.

    No one is suggesting it should be easy to amend the Constitution. But by making it nearly impossible to amend, the framers guaranteed (whether intentionally or accidentally) the necessity of a "living document" approach to the Constitution rather than an originalist approach.

    If it was easy, then the bible thumpers would already have put through an amendment to ban gay marriage. That would be just as stupid as this 'mandate'.

    Don't bother to couch your argument in progressive terms; it doesn't fool me. What you are asking is to turn the clock back to 1789 (with the exception of a few amendments since then). "Amend the Constitution" is simply not a viable solution for much of anything. Like I said, ours is the hardest constitution in the entire world to amend...not to mention the oldest. So unless you think that a bunch of dudes in wigs in the 18th century had all the political solutions for all time, something has to give...because an originalist approach combined with a nearly-impossible amendment process are simply not compatible with the modern world.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    So you make me buy this stuff for death because you know for sure that I will use it or utilize it. If I were in an accident that my body was never recovered then what? You going to give me my money back?

    It doesn't come down to guess work.
    I know for sure someone uninsured will use it. I linked the numbers yesterday. There is no guess work that a significant number will use it. And that those responsible enough to be insured will pay for it.

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I know for sure someone uninsured will use it. I linked the numbers yesterday. There is no guess work that a significant number will use it. And that those responsible enough to be insured will pay for it.
    Who cares if an uninsured will use it, what does that have to do with forcing people to buy something that there is nothing saying FOR SURE that I will use it or even you for that matter.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    Who cares if an uninsured will use it, what does that have to do with forcing people to buy something from you that there is nothing saying FOR SURE that I use it or even you for that matter.
    A lot. Others have to pay for their irresponsibility. It's the same reasoning for requiring auto insurance. Someone else is armed by your irresponsibility. It would be another issue if only you had to pay for it.

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A lot. Others have to pay for their irresponsibility. It's the same reasoning for requiring auto insurance. Someone else is armed by your irresponsibility. It would be another issue if only you had to pay for it.
    We are already paying for the irresponsibility through taxes. I don't need the government telling me that I have to purchase something for someone else's benefit much less for something that can't really be said I will even use it.

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So talking ot my relatively apolitical wife about the health care law last night and the arguments made in court, she brought up an analogy that I actually thought was rather on point and one I wanted to expand on.

    People die. When people die, if there is no family or no one able to provide for their burial we do not simply leave the dead decaying body to lie out and about. Someone bears the cost to go forward with disposing of the body either thorugh burial or cremation. And when that's ont a family member its putting an unnecessary financial burden on portions of society. Everyone, in some fashion, will enter into this market place at some point. There is no an individual who at some point in their life will be involved in some fashion with this particular market. We don't know when an individual may enter this market, and the entrance to it could be sudden and without any forthought.

    As such, should the government be able to regulate this market in advance by mandating that every individual do one of the following two things or be levied a tax penalty?:

    1. Purchase Life Insurance, assuring that everyone who dies will have some money doled out that will cover after-death costs. To go along with this, regulation will be put on Life Insurance that it must cover ALL forms of death at least to a minimum amount, including suicide.

    2. Purchase a burial plot and coffin or pre-purchase cremation services.
    Frankly I'm sick of people trying to die for free, I support manadatory burial insurance!!!!!!! And just think what it costs for them to die in the Emergency Room.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    We are already paying for the irresponsibility through taxes. I don't need the government telling me that I have to purchase something for someone else's benefit much less for something that can't really be said I will even use it.
    You're paying more in hospital bills. Cost has to cover what government doesn't pay. You pay more than you would if it came out of your taxes.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're paying more in hospital bills. Cost has to cover what government doesn't pay. You pay more than you would if it came out of your taxes.
    I am speaking of death insurance not health insurance, nice spin but stay on topic.

    It already comes out of my taxes so I would be paying the same. If I am forced to buy something you say I should have for your benefit not mine as an individual responsibility is ridiculous.
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