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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    By looking at all of these together it appears you do not want to give examples or state your position in a different light. Let me be blunt, you are not communicating well with me. If that's my failing then so be it but it doesn't change the discourse at all. If there is no communication then there can be no discussion. Let's just start by you citing a particular EPA regulation or guideline that uses the word "punish" in the same or similar context that you used it.
    Really? I have to find a case where they use the word punish? Do you realize the word punish is used to describe what the EPA is doing by its actions? Do I really have to go through basic English with you?

    Why in the world would they pass a regulation or put down some guideline that uses the word punish? I mean, come on. Can you make a reasonable request?
    Last edited by Henrin; 04-13-12 at 07:28 AM.

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So when I punish a business who am I punishing? The owner. You said this was obvious earlier when I pointed it out, but now its not?
    Is it the business being fined, or the owner, or some officer of the company?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What are you talking about? This has to do with working of the EPA, not some employee or representative of the government.
    "So when I punish a business who am I punishing?"
    So when you talk about the EPA who are you talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So you think I should sue government for a established agency that violates my rights? Tell me, what makes you think that is reasonable?
    Shall I quote the lawyers on TV for you? They are what many would call shysters but their message is valid enough even if their delivery is questionable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A barbaric world? If people don't decide to take action on the grocery store than they have made a choice to accept the action. I hardly find that barbaric, but a result of the respecting of the rights and liberties of all parties involved with the understanding that everyone deserves the benefit of doubt. If people don't wish to use the law to their advantage than they have simply made their choice, but that isn't going to happen, so your point is invalid.
    And who's going to stand outside the store hawking about the tainted meat? Everyone that's eaten the tainted meat is most likely in the hospital or recovering at home. No one with any valid testimony is left to warn the general public that the meat is bad. Even if there were someone I'm sure the store, wishing to unload the remainder of their $500 tainted meat order, would gladly pay said hawker $100 to go away. Either way, the unsuspecting public ends up sick or dead and, WOW what a break for the store!, at the end of it all the evidence has all been eaten!
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Is it the business being fined, or the owner, or some officer of the company?
    Fined? Why is fining them necessary for it fall under punishment?

    "So when I punish a business who am I punishing?"'
    The owner. How many times do you want this answer?

    So when you talk about the EPA who are you talking about?
    The EPA. Why do you assume I'm talking about some individual person? Why I find the current head disgusting that has nothing at all to do with my point here.

    Shall I quote the lawyers on TV for you? They are what many would call shysters but their message is valid enough even if their delivery is questionable.
    What in the?? How is the so called lawyers on TV relevant to our talk?

    And who's going to stand outside the store hawking about the tainted meat? Everyone that's eaten the tainted meat is most likely in the hospital or recovering at home. No one with any valid testimony is left to warn the general public that the meat is bad. Even if there were someone I'm sure the store, wishing to unload the remainder of their $500 tainted meat order, would gladly pay said hawker $100 to go away. Either way, the unsuspecting public ends up sick or dead and, WOW what a break for the store!, at the end of it all the evidence has all been eaten!
    You just admitted there is people left by saying people are recovering in the hospital or recovering at home. Like I said but you failed to quote people that run places that make people sick go out of business out all of the time. Not only that but people are ready to take legal action against them.

    I'm done here btw. You appear to be out of arguments to defend the original topic we were talking about so now you wish to talk of food and FDA.

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Really? I have to find a case where they use the word punish? Do you realize the word punish is used to describe what the EPA is doing by its actions? Do I really have to go through basic English with you?

    Why in the world would they pass a regulation or put down some guideline that uses the word punish? I mean, come on. Can you make a reasonable request?
    I did that once already:
    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Since you are obviously using different definitions than the government and many others use, you may need to clarify your position with a little less spin and better vocabulary.
    That seemed reasonable to me but you responded with:
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    No I am not and I don't need to clarify my position. You either understand the constution or you don't.
    I did try to make a reasonable request and you not only refused, you snipped. I'm not trying to be an ass here - you are. All I'd like is for you to do is define what it is you have a problem with. Just saying "The EPA" doesn't really open any doors for discourse since "The EPA" covers a lot of ground and many decades.

    If you have specific issues lets go through them one by one - you pick where you want to start.

    If you don't have specific issues and just want to loudly proclaim I HATE THE EPA then you've already done that and we're through here.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Fined? Why is fining them necessary for it fall under punishment?
    Since you have not defined what you mean by punishment then I have to assume certain things. Earlier I asked you for clarification and you scoffed, so if the assumptions you forced me to make are false that's not my problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You just admitted there is people left by saying people are recovering in the hospital or recovering at home. Like I said but you failed to quote people that run places that make people sick go out of business out all of the time. Not only that but people are ready to take legal action against them.

    I'm done here btw. You appear to be out of arguments to defend the original topic we were talking about so now you wish to talk of food and FDA.
    With your failure to produce a viable topic of conversation with relation to the EPA I just took my pick of examples in government. I have no problem talking about the EPA, it is you who seem to have a problem defining a specific issue.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    I already defined my problem and I didn't simply say I hate the EPA. You should try to follow along in a discussion that you are having. Anyway, I said I was done here.

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    Mt. Rushmore: Three surveyors and some other guy.
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    Hear the echoes of the centuries, Power isn't all that money buys. -Peart
    After you learn quantum mechanics you're never really the same again. -Weinberg

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