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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Without government action nuclear power would of never came to be.
    I disagree. If it wasn't US then it would have been Britain or France that worked out the design. But I do agree we might have taken a different direction in reactor design if it wasn't for nuclear weapons. Of course, that part of the field has it's own reasons for being.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I disagree. If it wasn't US then it would have been Britain or France that worked out the design. But I do agree we might have taken a different direction in reactor design if it wasn't for nuclear weapons. Of course, that part of the field has it's own reasons for being.
    The liability issues alone would make nuclear power uninsurable. So yeah, you need regulation.

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If you're talking about federally backed student loans then there's an obvious difference between student loans and medical bills. If the government can't force you to buy insurance how can it force you to repay a private loan?


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    In addition it's nonsense for many medical treatments, they cost tens of thousands or more. People have trouble buying a $150k home - and that includes their rent! What makes you think they can repay medical bills that are even half that big?


    Crap or get off the pot. Either we're going to deny treatment or we're going to force universal payment/participation (which can be this way or taxes) or we're going to go broke. You pick which one.
    The feds force hospitals to treat any and everyone.
    Wouldn't it be prudent for them to force all to pay.

    I'm not talking about soul crushing amounts here, even if it's $10 a week, for the rest of their life, it's better than getting free services and not paying a dime.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The laws needed and still do need reform to be practiced correctly. There is no reason to believe that with the proper reforms the system couldn't be more effective and fairer to all parties involved than having the EPA handle it.
    The EPA does exactly what it's supposed to do - it collects data, conducts studies, and determines what industrial pollutants are or aren't harmful to human life and health, then determines appropriate guidelines (usually in ppm) where the given pollutant is relatively safe. The EPA usually works with business to determine the best way to take care of a given pollutant, whether it's a change in manufacturing/production or secondary treatment like air scrubbers.

    If Congress wants to rescind or delay an EPA decision it can do so and has done so before. But just because Congress doesn't want to look bad using that power is no reason to gut the EPA and/or blind ourselves to the truth. Regardless of what form your "more effective and fairer" practices take, there will still be a need for testing, monitoring, and scientific work required to keep us safe from industrial pollutants and to determine what those "safe" levels are - and that's most of what the EPA does.

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    No one wants people to die, but I want people/business to be guilty of a right violation before they are treated like they are guilty. I want the business to be able to decide on what course of action they wish to take to correct course and I want repeat offenders to be out of business. What I want is a system that treats all people like people.
    Businesses are not people and anyone trying to convince someone otherwise either does not know business or is purposely misleading. Business will never be environmentally or socially responsible because business has no 'conscious'. Business's only goal is making money and, as such, all business decisions are based on the balance sheet. "It's not personal, it's just business." We've heard that phrase all our lives and still, we just don't seem to get it. Business cannot "treat people like people" because there is no emotion there - it's just business.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The feds force hospitals to treat any and everyone.
    Wouldn't it be prudent for them to force all to pay.

    I'm not talking about soul crushing amounts here, even if it's $10 a week, for the rest of their life, it's better than getting free services and not paying a dime.
    I'm not talking about what would or wouldn't be prudent, I'm talking about what is or isn't legal. It's a private debt with no government backing. If a society can't see it's way to requiring everyone have health insurance then it'll never see it's way to turning the government into a private bill collector.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The liability issues alone would make nuclear power uninsurable. So yeah, you need regulation.
    Maybe in it's current form but if you take government out of the equation nuclear power could have gone down a completely different path.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm not talking about what would or wouldn't be prudent, I'm talking about what is or isn't legal. It's a private debt with no government backing. If a society can't see it's way to requiring everyone have health insurance then it'll never see it's way to turning the government into a private bill collector.
    That's probably true.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    So, you're left with the problem.

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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The EPA does exactly what it's supposed to do - it collects data, conducts studies, and determines what industrial pollutants are or aren't harmful to human life and health, then determines appropriate guidelines (usually in ppm) where the given pollutant is relatively safe. The EPA usually works with business to determine the best way to take care of a given pollutant, whether it's a change in manufacturing/production or secondary treatment like air scrubbers.
    1. The EPA bypasses due process.
    2. The party being punished(yes they are being punished) does not have the chance to offer up their own case.
    3. Your claim that they work with business is false. They find them guilty and they work towards a punishment sometimes asking for opinions from the party being punished.

    If Congress wants to rescind or delay an EPA decision it can do so and has done so before. But just because Congress doesn't want to look bad using that power is no reason to gut the EPA and/or blind ourselves to the truth. Regardless of what form your "more effective and fairer" practices take, there will still be a need for testing, monitoring, and scientific work required to keep us safe from industrial pollutants and to determine what those "safe" levels are - and that's most of what the EPA does.
    So??

    Businesses are not people and anyone trying to convince someone otherwise either does not know business or is purposely misleading. Business will never be environmentally or socially responsible because business has no 'conscious'. Business's only goal is making money and, as such, all business decisions are based on the balance sheet. "It's not personal, it's just business." We've heard that phrase all our lives and still, we just don't seem to get it. Business cannot "treat people like people" because there is no emotion there - it's just business.
    1. Many business care about people and some do not. Do not make the mistake all of them are made up of the same kind of people one way or the other.
    2. Businesses are owned, operated and maintained by people. They are the property of individuals.
    3. Like any other people they have a right to their property and if government is to act on it or the individual they deserve a day in court.
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    Re: Mandated Burial Plot

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I disagree. If it wasn't US then it would have been Britain or France that worked out the design. But I do agree we might have taken a different direction in reactor design if it wasn't for nuclear weapons. Of course, that part of the field has it's own reasons for being.
    The nuclear reactor came about from the creation of the nuclear bomb. I might be wrong but I don't think France would of ever done such a thing and Britain is questionable.

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