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The new definition of "Racist".

What do you think of the new definition?

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Thunder said:
just like the attitude that all Liberals are racists if they support AA or entitlements for the poor.
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I don't remember anyone saying it's racist? Stupid maybe, but not racist?

Thunder said:
look, if one doesn't say racist things, they should not be labeled a racist.
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Unfortunately far to many don't even know what the definition of racist or racism even is. They scream racist at the drop of a hat, it's ridicules.

Thunder said:
however, if one believes that blacks are inferior, or they constantly use negative stereotypes about blacks, they are gonna get called racist and they deserve it.
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Yea, most likely.
 
Also, the Liberals' cognitive dissonance in saying that Rednecks are stupid but dismissing Blacks' low IQ scores by saying that there is no way to measure or judge intelligence. The point is that we can't judge other races the way we normally judge people in our own race. Leave your brains at the door when you enter the multicultie fantasyland.
 
earthworm said:
That a problem exists............
ALL of us suffer from racism.. Some at 1%; others at 100%..
We must face up to the problem and do things to solve it; not deny, not blame others, not be dishonest...
But, a man cannot deny that "blacks" are the most frequent victims of racism...and this is where the most work must be..
We need a better people.
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What is better about being a weakling traitor to civilized humanity? Do you feel lonely and picked on by civilized people and hope that the savages will be your friends? All of us are suffering from the anti-racism of this Second Reconstruction Era.
 
Cephus said:
Well, that may be true, but the argument that blacks cannot be racist because they lack the ability to force their racism on others is still extremely prevalent.
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Then you should be able to show lots of people saying just that. I will patiently wait while you get that list together.
 
PrometheusBound said:
Also, the Liberals' cognitive dissonance in saying that Rednecks are stupid but dismissing Blacks' low IQ scores by saying that there is no way to measure or judge intelligence. The point is that we can't judge other races the way we normally judge people in our own race. Leave your brains at the door when you enter the multicultie fantasyland.
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Yes we absolutely can. It's funny how only certain people ever bring up the "redneck" thing, when after being here over 3 years can't remember a liberal saying that?

As far as IQ's go most populations with a history of oppression score lower on IQ tests including whites. Irish Catholics (an oppressed minority) score lower than protestants in Ireland. Where does your race and intelligence argument fit into that?
 
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PrometheusBound said:
What is better about being a weakling traitor to civilized humanity?
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And who would this civilized humanity be?

PrometheusBound said:
Do you feel lonely and picked on by civilized people and hope that the savages will be your friends?
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Who are the savages?

PrometheusBound said:
All of us are suffering from the anti-racism of this Second Reconstruction Era.
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I am going to go out on a limb here and say this is most likely a racist rant.
 
PrometheusBound said:
Also, the Liberals' cognitive dissonance in saying that Rednecks are stupid but dismissing Blacks' low IQ scores by saying that there is no way to measure or judge intelligence. The point is that we can't judge other races the way we normally judge people in our own race. Leave your brains at the door when you enter the multicultie fantasyland.
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Any one who says rednecks are stupid is ignorant. Of course I don't hear a whole lot of it. Rednecks are not well educated as a general rule(I know, I am one of them), but stupid, not at all. Typical redneck farmer has a set of skills and knowledge that is enviable. Again, I repeat, it's not something I have heard alot that rednecks are stupid. Would you care to show where people are making that claim?
 
PrometheusBound said:
What is better about being a weakling traitor to civilized humanity? Do you feel lonely and picked on by civilized people and hope that the savages will be your friends? All of us are suffering from the anti-racism of this Second Reconstruction Era.
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Who are these "weakling traitors" and "savages". Without that being stated, your post is gibberish.
 
Redress said:
Who are these "weakling traitors" and "savages". Without that being stated, your post is gibberish.
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It's like turning on a light and watching the cockroaches scatter. Anytime you hit em with the tough questions based on fact, they scurry away to hide.
 
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OscarB63 said:
Thanks. Yours is exactly the attitude I am talking about. There are negative stereotypes about every race or group. Asians can't drive, southerners **** their cousins, etc. But you and yours only squeal racism over black stereotypes.
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My post, below, was very clear; it stated "I haven’t found any difference that I can resolve when it comes to skin color between those that consider then selves black, white, or any other color." (I used a blue that I don't think any humans have so I'd not show a bias. LOL) I was a racial minority, a WOP (with out passport). I've seen racism between between identifiable people in a South East Asian country and in Phoenix AZ and the Four corners area. I lived within a mile of the Indian School on Indian School Rd. in Phoenix. But I took wood working and Kachina carving lessons from a Hopi who was close to my family. Back then there was racial bias between the Hopi and Navajo; but I was just up in the 4 Corners area chatting with some Navajos and mentioning Hopi and I didn't detect any racial bias. got to go

Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then
Thanks. Your writing is a concise example of racism. Let’s examine "enough blacks" as a quantified measurement. And lets select lazy. I haven't seen any data that that blacks are the only ones that are lazy. Also I haven't noticed that blacks are the color black; and, at an anthropological level people that have essentially the same color are usually racially quite different. So, what you are saying w/o knowing it is that people that share a color are a race. But your description is based on an assumed culture. An if you really look at culture only I have found lazy in white culture and I haven’t found any difference that I can resolve when it comes to skin color between those that consider then selves black, white, or any other color. This is all for now.
 
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PrometheusBound said:
What is better about being a weakling traitor to civilized humanity? Do you feel lonely and picked on by civilized people and hope that the savages will be your friends? All of us are suffering from the anti-racism of this Second Reconstruction Era.
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what in God's name are you talking about?
 
Cephus said:
Well, that may be true, but the argument that blacks cannot be racist because they lack the ability to force their racism on others is still extremely prevalent.
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While actually quite rare, there are indeed some who push that stance. It's certainly not prevalent (prevalent means a view which remains the most commonly accepted or promoted one in the presence of opposition from other views...i.e. it prevails over alternatives), let alone "extremely" prevalent. Quite clearly, the prevalent narrative about racism in at least the U.S. if not also many other countries is that it is a matter of sick personal beliefs which make claims of superiority or inferiority about groups of people based upon "race." This is, of course, barely the tip of the iceberg and a woefully incomplete (not broad enough) conception of racism.

What many are trying to express, however, is a different point. "Blacks" are of course capable of participating in racism, but (within the United States) they lack the institutional and aggregate political power to turn such participation into racist oppression. They do not dominate the corporate workplace, mass media narratives, the state or federal government, academia, etc. in the way "whites" do vis-a-vis the axis of "race." With the common sloppiness/neglect so prevalent in attempts at public discourse on racism, however, many speakers/writers get lazy and fail to make an explicit distinction between racist dogma/personal belief on one hand vs. racist oppression (which is different from and doesn't even require racist belief in order to be perpetuated) on the other.

A big part of such sloppiness/neglect in communication on this front is a response to the knee-jerk false equivalency often sincerely promoted by apologists for white racism. The false assertion that since people of color *can* participate in racism, that they implicitly do so with the same frequency, depth, and power behind participation in racism by "white" people, often follows just a step behind. It is in anticipation of this horrendous bull**** and trivialization that the sloppy failure to distinguish between racism vs. racist oppression is often couched. It's still a mistake, but I've seen where it comes from.

Arguably the single most productive point one can use as a foundation for setting up a meaningful discussion of racism and racist oppression is that it's not primarily a matter of good vs. bad intentions. "White" people have been and still are trained into blindness about their own privilege on the axis of "race", and so they (we) get defensive about issues of racism *even when no one in the discussion is assigning personal blame*. Taking some explicit efforts to defuse such anxiety can go a long way towards dragging things kicking and screaming back to something resembling rationality. Is it fair to have to put up with such arbitrary and uneven efforts just to get a privileged population comfortable enough to approach a topic honestly? No...but then again, racism isn't about what's fair and so a great deal of that unfairness and disparity must be recognized as a tactical necessity.
 
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cmakaioz said:
While actually quite rare, there are indeed some who push that stance. It's certainly not prevalent (prevalent means a view which remains the most commonly accepted or promoted one in the presence of opposition from other views), let alone "extremely" prevalent.

What many are trying to express, however, is a different point. "Blacks" are of course capable of participating in racism, but (within the United States) they lack the institutional and aggregate political power to turn such participation into racist oppression. They do not dominate the corporate workplace, mass media narratives, the state or federal government, academia, etc. in the way "whites" do vis-a-vis the axis of "race."....
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a black man can own a store, a factory, a large corporation.

he can discriminate against whites, as owner of that entity.

that is racism. and some might say oppresive racism.
 
Thunder said:
a black man can own a store, a factory, a large corporation.

he can discriminate against whites, as owner of that entity.

that is racism. and some might say oppresive racism.
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Not what he is talking about. He is saying blacks do not exist in those positions in relevant numbers to be able to push a racist agenda on a large private or political scale.
 
Blackdog said:
Not what he is talking about. He is saying blacks do not exist in those positions in relevant numbers to be able to push a racist agenda on a large private or political scale.
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that may or may not be true.

but in some cities and areas, blacks do indeed control enough of the political & economic system to push a racist agenda.
 
Thunder said:
that may or may not be true.

but in some cities and areas, blacks do indeed control enough of the political & economic system to push a racist agenda.
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Not really. We make up 13% of the population spread out across a nation of 300,000,000 people. How much power do we really have??? Even in area's we have a majority which are very few, it is such a small one, it makes no difference.
 
Thunder said:
a black man can own a store, a factory, a large corporation.
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Never claimed otherwise. How often is that actually the case, however? And what are the options left available to those applicants who are turned away by those rare few people of color with such institutional power?

Back here in the world we actually live in, the influence of people of color, vis-a-vis "race" (i.e. AS people of color), in the corporate sector is barely a blip on the social or economic radar. It remains the case that "white" people can afford to remain utterly ignorant of the attitudes, expectations, politics, history, and concerns of people of color...and still have a long and full professional career. The same is not true of people of color, who (as W.E.B. Du Bois and Franz Fanon, among others) pointed out must become virtual experts upon how to get by in the "white" world...what amounts to a hostile social environment. It is the luxury of default, in which "white" is treated as an unmarked "normal," -- something not inviting special attention or scrutiny, that "white" people receive such heavy privilege.

Thunder said:
he can discriminate against whites, as owner of that entity.
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Of course he can...but can he do so with the same default lack of consequences? Also, the customers and employment applicants turned off or turned away by his racism will -- back in the real world we actually live in, instead of in some hypothetical world where "white" people don't dominate most political and social institutions in the relevant context -- have plenty of options left which don't discriminate against them.

Thunder said:
that is racism. and some might say oppresive racism.
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Of course, that's definitely racism. As for oppressive racism, that would be quite a stretch without meeting some pretty spectacular (and rare) conditions. If such a discriminatory employer or business operator was the only -- or the dominant -- employer or business in town/supplier of a given good or service, then you might have a case.

All of this, however, does nothing to change the fact that people of color, in the aggregate, are institutionally disfavored, not privileged, by the political and economic context we actually live in. In some other scenario or alternate world, could it be the case that people of color could engage in racist oppression? OF COURSE they could...and it would be patently racist to assert that they are magically incapable of doing so under any circumstances.

It is perfectly reasonable, however, to point out that in our ACTUAL context, in the society we actually live in, people of color don't have anything close to the level of institutional power required to engage in racist oppression, whether by neglect and ignorance or by ideological zealotry. "White" people, however, DO.
 
Blackdog said:
Not really. We make up 13% of the population spread out across a nation of 300,000,000 people. How much power do we really have??? Even in area's we have a majority which are very few, it is such a small one, it makes no difference.
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sorry bud, but wherever blacks have economic & political power, then can try to push a racist agenda.

how successful they will be at it, is another story. But they can certainly attempt it.
 
Thunder said:
sorry bud, but wherever blacks have economic & political power, then can try to push a racist agenda.

how successful they will be at it, is another story. But they can certainly attempt it.
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"How successful they will be at it"...and also whether or not they are likely to attempt it in the first place...are pretty god damn relevant facts.

Facts matter. Real, actually manifest racist oppression established and maintained by "white" people > (is greater than) hypothetical, potential attempts at racist oppression by a rare handful-within-a-handful of people of color with sufficient institutional power.

The two are nowhere close to being the same in scale, viability, social approval, financing, etc.

For example, there's just no conceivable parallel racist anti-immigration bill (a la Arizona) which could be directed by institutionally powerful people of color against "whites". Could a powerful person of color in public office *attempt* to pass such legislation in a manner discriminatory against "white" folk? Sure...and s/he'd be out of office/sued/assaulted practically overnight. Could such a person do a "take-back", in which they made some mealy-mouthed weakly worded conciliatory statement in passing, only to resume pursuit of their previous political ambitions days or weeks later? They could try, but not likely. Contrast this with Gingrich, Romney, Santorum, McCain, et al...all of whom have made multiple statements of veiled (and in some cases, open) bigotry against various groups of people of color...with hardly a political scratch.

So YES, of course people of color are capable of harboring racist views just like anyone else...but NO, they cannot hang on to, or utilize, their (rare) institutional power towards realizing a racist agenda in remotely the same manner.
 
cmakaioz said:
...So YES, of course people of color are capable of harboring racist views just like anyone else...but NO, they cannot hang on to, or utilize, their (rare) institutional power towards realizing a racist agenda in remotely the same manner.
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not only can and are many blacks racist, but if they choose to...they can attempt to engage in a racist agenda.

their success may be minimal, but they can still try.
 
To save time:

Women can harbor sexist ideologies, but you don't see any new PASSED laws sticking the state in the doctor's office when men have an appointment.

Gays and lesbians can harbor twisted ideas about heterosexuals, but there are no amendments on any legislative agendas calling for revoking the rights of heterosexuals, and no successful campaigns to require bigotry against heterosexuals to be in local school texts.

Poor people can harbor deeply classist views, and yet rich people are not being infantilized by massive state invasions of privacy just to get what they need to survive, and if and when rich individuals get in trouble, the default assumption is not that they got in trouble because rich people are typically of inferior character. Rich people get to be treated as individuals.

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Thunder said:
not only can and are many blacks racist, but if they choose to...they can attempt to engage in a racist agenda.

their success may be minimal, but they can still try.
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Facts matter.

That their success may be minimal is the crux of the difference between being Just Some Local A-holes vs. being Oppressors.

I could take a flight out to Oahu and try to implement a reversed imperial agenda of a Hawai'ian overthrow of the United States, but I'd be jailed or shot within hours...so yeah...actual (as opposed to hypothetical) institutional power makes a big difference.
 
PrometheusBound said:
What is better about being a weakling traitor to civilized humanity? Do you feel lonely and picked on by civilized people and hope that the savages will be your friends? All of us are suffering from the anti-racism of this Second Reconstruction Era.
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Please elaborate.
This is a strange response to what I write.
 
Thunder said:
there are serious historical & socio-economic factors that are directly responsible for these issues. but if you choose to ignore all of this, and just focus on skin color, then you can expect charges of racism.
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"The White devil made them do it"? No, it is the devil inside them that drives their unfit behavior. Turning these people loose on society is no more humanitarian than turning other wild creatures loose. Their behavior in Africa and Haiti, where they have escaped from White domination, proves that it is nature rather than nurture and not the multiculturalists' dangerous and self-assured theory of outside rather than inside forces driving the whole plague.
 
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