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The new definition of "Racist".

What do you think of the new definition?


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So, here we have a bait thread using a phony "poll" that lists two options from which we need to select. One of these options is extremely restrictive -- that of racism involving a sense of racial superiority only. The other is a made-up definition used only as a straw man.

As most people use the term "racism", however, it is not so restrictive as the one definition nor so intentionally trivial as the other.
 
Never have i said all blacks are lazy, steal, etc. I merely pointed out that enough blacks act in a certain way to create the stereotype. And blaming it on racism is not the solution. The solution is altering the behavior....

Anti-Semites view Jews as stingy, dishonest, plotting to take over the world, and arrogant.

is the solution to these hateful stereotypes, for Jews to stop acting this way?????????
 
and that is bull****.

if 10% of blacks behave a certain way, and some ignorant whites base their view of all blacks on those 10%, then the problem is with those ignorant white people, not the 10% of blacks.

if you judge & view tens of millions of people based on the possible activities of a small percentage of those folks, you are being ignorant & prejudiced.

and no, most folks will only yell "racism" when racism is truly afoot.

Typical apologist comment. Don't blame the 10% for giving the rest of them a bad name. Blame the white guy.

Funny how people like you who cry over stereotyping blacks because of the actions of a small % have no problem stereotyping all white people as racists over the actions of a small %

Hypocrisy at its finest
 
#1 is transparent partisan hackery and/or appeal to such hackery, so I'll leave it alone.

#2 is definitely part of racism, but does misses the heart of racism.

Racism INCLUDES claims of superiority/inferiority, but the essence of racism lies in the following:

A) Sincere belief that "race" refers to something biologically real, which actually breaks down along the lines posited by "race" mythology and has causal power in its own right. In other words, if you believe "race" actually exists beyond what is accounted for by social construction/social pretense (i.e. that "race" could actually do anything whether people in racist societies were socially constructing it or not)....THAT is racism.

B) Any and all action or communication which treats A. above AS IF IT WERE TRUE, even if one doesn't personally believe it to be true.

Thus, claiming one "race" is better in some way than another is definitely racism. But here's the catch: claiming that all "races" are of equal ability or potential...is ALSO racism, because it leaves in place the superstition that "race" has an existence beyond social construction in the first place.

Before people get caught up in the usual blame games and finger pointing, I must remind us that *personal intention* is irrelevant to the definition of racism. One need not want to harm people through racism in order to participate in racism, and racism has been institutionalized for centuries now, so anyone alive today has received partial (if not heavy) training into it as a matter of routine (again, without any reference to intent).

The usual sticking point involves getting people PAST the individualism-obsessed/intention-obsessed/defensive stage (where they focus primarily upon their own imagined relationship to/role in current racism) and move onwards to taking a sober look at how racism actually functions BEYOND the level of individual attitude, i.e. in institutions, in social expectations, and generally in ways which have next to nothing to do with personal intentions, good or bad.

The typical participant in racism is a well-intentioned and reasonably intelligent person who has been trained to participate in racism not out of malice but as a matter of course. For the privileged, that training includes a careful avoidance of acknowledging and thinking about the positive impacts of racism for those privileged by it (for example, people trained into "white" identity may readily acknowledge that people of color are targeted by racist oppression here, but are less willing to acknowledge that "white" people are privileged by racist oppression...despite the fact that these are two sides of the same dynamic).

But in any case, the definition offered in the poll (item 2 at least) does identify part of racism, but isn't broad enough.
 
My son spent $9k to attend a tech training school. He now makes $40/hr as a contractor.
His black friend from HS spent $8k on spinning rims, neon running lights and a stereo system for his chevy impala. He now works a burger king.

And yet some people will cry that my son should pay higher taxes because the other guy didn't have the same opportunities because he is black


I paid over 50k to put my daughter through college. My oldest adopted son isgoing to go to the same university for free because he is black and is getting a minority scholarship.

And yet some people will cry that minorities don't have equal opportunity for education.

And then they wonder why guys like me get pissed off when some toolbag calls us "racists" for suggestong that minorities are to blame for some of their own problems.
 
My son spent $9k to attend a tech training school. He now makes $40/hr as a contractor.
His black friend from HS spent $8k on spinning rims, neon running lights and a stereo system for his chevy impala. He now works a burger king.

And yet some people will cry that my son should pay higher taxes because the other guy didn't have the same opportunities because he is black.....

who are these people?

I think you're just making stupid crap up as you go along.
 
The really funny part is that I have seen racism from both sides. As the father of two black sons, I have had to explain to my boys that some people may look at them differently or with suspicion because they are black. I have had to tell them that some parents may not allow their daughters to date them because they are black. I have tried to teach them to not worry about the stupidity of others but instead to do what's right at all times and show these ignorant people how wrong they are. Racism on the part of others should never be an excuse for bad behavior on your part.
 
My son spent $9k to attend a tech training school. He now makes $40/hr as a contractor.
His black friend from HS spent $8k on spinning rims, neon running lights and a stereo system for his chevy impala. He now works a burger king.

And yet some people will cry that my son should pay higher taxes because the other guy didn't have the same opportunities because he is black


I paid over 50k to put my daughter through college. My oldest adopted son isgoing to go to the same university for free because he is black and is getting a minority scholarship.

And yet some people will cry that minorities don't have equal opportunity for education.

And then they wonder why guys like me get pissed off when some toolbag calls us "racists" for suggestong that minorities are to blame for some of their own problems.

So what? Let them cry what they want, you sound just as bad.

Oh no! someone said my son needs to pay more taxes for black people to go to school. Man I need cheese for all this whine.

Why let an idiot ruin your day? It is what it is. Harboring feelings of resentment or jealousy for things you can't control? I mean seriously if you were honestly wanting to debate the issue you would have replied to my second post, but you ignored it. So I assume you just want to whine and rant about the black man as you have been doing the whole time. What a waste.
 
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Social workers snatched me from the white parents I loved to make me live with a black family: How the colour-obsessed foster care system sentenced Dawn to a life of regret | Mail Online

Talk about racism. I had similar experience with DHR and my oldest adopted son. Like Dawn, he was our first foster child. DHR also felt that he would be better off with "family", trouble was all his mother's family either did not want him or were unfit. UNTIL they learned a white family wanted to adopt him. Then all manner of 2nd and 3rd cousins came crawling out of the woodwork. The winner they decided was best for Lamar was a 3rd cousin who had just been released from prison after a 25 year sentence for murder. I hired a lawyer and sued DHR for custody becoming the first foster parent in the state ever to do so. It took 6 years and thousands of dollars to convince the courts to alllow Lamar to stay with the only family he'd ever known
 
So what? Let them cry what they want, you sound just as bad.

Oh no! someone said my son needs to pay more taxes for black people to go to school. Man I need cheese for all this whine.....

raising taxes to pay for what?

what is this dishonest claim Oscar is speaking of?
 
And yet some people will cry that minorities don't have equal opportunity for education.

Actually, a lot of people point that out...because it is a fact. It is empirically demonstrable that the level of institutional support, access to relevant professional role models, academic resources, internship and job opportunities, presumption of competence/incompetence, socioeconomic mobility, educational attainment of previous family generations, and a host of other substantive indices of educational opportunity...are consistently lower for people of color vs. "white" people. That's not an anecdote or personal story about a specific person's children, but the overwhelming finding pulled from indicators across several major fields of study.

So it's perfectly reasonable for "some people" to "cry" that minorities don't have equal opportunity for education...because...IN FACT...minorities don't have equal opportunity for education.

This begs a rather serious question of whether or not you consider pointing to relevant FACTS to be "crying"/whining/some sort of underhanded persuasive tactic. Thankfully, that's not the topic.

Grossly unequal educational opportunities which DO show strong correlation with whether or not someone is perceived as a person of color...is a clear case of institutional racism. Present-day institutions need not be involved in actively discriminating against people of color. Superficially "color-blind" admissions processes may simply inherit major inequalities stemming from sources mostly outside schools and colleges...and then simply do nothing (or not work effectively enough) to counteract the inheritance of such inequalities as they relate to attending and successfully completing study in a given school.

For instance, in addition to common sense it has also been shown by social scientists that having one or more college graduates as parents is a strong predictor of one's likelihood to attend and graduate college. This advantage/disadvantage compounds over generations, and its relevance to racism (in particular, to the ongoing legacy of racist oppression) is as follows:

Many students of color applying to college today have parents who were discriminated against in college admissions. Thus, despite not facing direct discrimination themselves, the loss of helpful potential resources (the lower frequency of having college graduates as parents) affects their likelihood to be admitted to and successfully graduate from colleges today. If you go back another generation or so, the difference is even more obvious, as two generations ago, many people of color were explicitly barred from attending college. Are either of these practices (heavy de facto discrimination against people of color in college admissions, or outright exclusion of all people perceived to be persons of color) in regular use today? No. But do they still have an impact upon admissions (and thus also hiring) today? Absolutely.

This points to one of the most prevalent racist memes in current popular use. Many opponents of affirmative action policies (in addition to not being able to accurately identify affirmative action in the first place) object to it on the false premise that admissions and hiring processes have been or would be fair and meritocratic in the absence of affirmative action. This amounts to a willful ignorance of history and current events...and by extension, a de facto endorsement (by complicity) of white supremacist policy (after all...if hiring and admissions is (falsely) pretended to be meritocratic without affirmative action or other remedial measures in place, and the fact remains that "white" people -- usually "white" men -- occupy the majority of high positions...then the lurking implication is that "white" people are indeed superior and earned their privilege from such superiority). That's how the injection of just a few -- or even one -- false premise from racism can lead what would otherwise be a reasonable person to accept -- at least implicitly -- an absurd and heavily racist version of reality.

This is exactly the kind of nuance and context required to have a reasonable discussion of racism, and racist oppression, in the present tense. Unfortunately it's exactly what is rarely seen in many attempts at discussion, because it requires getting past the level of individual/anecdotal experience and beyond implicit or explicit blame/exoneration.
 
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I mean seriously if you were honestly wanting to debate the issue you would have replied to my second post, but you ignored it.

Sorry. I am posting from my phone and must have missed it amid the thunder clutter.

Let me be clear. I do not hate all black people. I do not think all blacks are stupid, lazy or criminals. I think it is stupid to base your opinion of someone based on a stereotype. However, that does not change that fact that they exist and that they exist in part due to the actions of some black people. It will take efforts from BOTH sides to erase them. It is not as simple as "white people need to stop believing them" or "black people need to act better"

That said, i do hate black people who ARE lazy, stupid or criminals. But guess what? I also hate white people who are stupid, lazy or criminals.

My problem is with people who try to blame their problems on someone else. ie the reason so many black dudes get arrested is because of racism or racial profiling. In case you haven't noticed, there are plenty of white dudes in prisons for the same crimes as their black brothers.

Yes a black dude driving/walking through a white neighborhood is likely to get stopped by the cops even if he has done nothing wrong. But a white dude driving/walking through a black neighborhood is just as likely to get stopped for no reason. Has happened to me on a couple of occassions. Was at Ft Benning TDY and my boys came to visit for a week. I needed daycare so I asked my roommate (a black LT) who had moved his family to Columbus where his kids went. So i signed my kids up for the week at a black church in a black neighborhood. 2nd morning on the way to drop them off i was stopped at a red light and a black cop pulled up behind me. Light turned green and i pulled away. Cop followed me for a couple of blocks then hit the lights. Said I ran the red light and asked what i was doing in the area. When i told him taking my kids to daycare he looked in the back of my van. The look on his face when he saw 2 little black boys grinning back at him was priceless and well worth the inconvenience.

Point being. Racial profiling happens both ways. It's just that more black dudes tend to drive through white hoods than the other way around because the are simply more white hoods and most white dudes don't tend to drive through black hoods. No use getting all defensive and bent out of shape over it.
 
i dont understand why the blacks are regarded as a minority. i think both blacks and whites had settled down in america almost in the same period . in the 16th century, hundred thousands of blacks had been brought to america to be forced into slavery. neither their number nor their color must be a criteria to be seen as minority.in fact their number was much more in the past than now
 
i dont understand why the blacks are regarded as a minority.

It's a sloppy term at best. It's really an intended reference to political vulnerability. For example, women are still politically vulnerable and face sexist oppression despite it being questionable that they are a NUMERICAL minority.

i think both blacks and whites had settled down in america almost in the same period . in the 16th century, hundred thousands of blacks had been brought to america to be forced into slavery. neither their number nor their color must be a criteria to be seen as minority.in fact their number was much more in the past than now

There are still far, far fewer people identified as "black" than as "white." But in any case, the salient point is about political power.

Never mind the fact that the United States doesn't now, and never has, operated on a majoritarian basis, but that's for another thread.
 
Sorry. I am posting from my phone and must have missed it amid the thunder clutter.

Hehehe! Thunder clutter! I like it.

Let me be clear. I do not hate all black people. I do not think all blacks are stupid, lazy or criminals. I think it is stupid to base your opinion of someone based on a stereotype. However, that does not change that fact that they exist and that they exist in part due to the actions of some black people. It will take efforts from BOTH sides to erase them. It is not as simple as "white people need to stop believing them" or "black people need to act better"

Who said you hate black people? You really need to stop being so defensive.

That said, i do hate black people who ARE lazy, stupid or criminals. But guess what? I also hate white people who are stupid, lazy or criminals.

My problem is with people who try to blame their problems on someone else. ie the reason so many black dudes get arrested is because of racism or racial profiling. In case you haven't noticed, there are plenty of white dudes in prisons for the same crimes as their black brothers.

I dislike anyone who is like that. Lord knows enough of them exist. This begs the question; why do you only single out blacks? The lions share of welfare and public aid including Federal loans goes to whites. Yet you still single out blacks for your rants?

I don't think you are racist but it is obvious (going by your posts) that you have an issue with blacks at some level.

Yes a black dude driving/walking through a white neighborhood is likely to get stopped by the cops even if he has done nothing wrong. But a white dude driving/walking through a black neighborhood is just as likely to get stopped for no reason. Has happened to me on a couple of occassions. Was at Ft Benning TDY and my boys came to visit for a week. I needed daycare so I asked my roommate (a black LT) who had moved his family to Columbus where his kids went. So i signed my kids up for the week at a black church in a black neighborhood. 2nd morning on the way to drop them off i was stopped at a red light and a black cop pulled up behind me. Light turned green and i pulled away. Cop followed me for a couple of blocks then hit the lights. Said I ran the red light and asked what i was doing in the area. When i told him taking my kids to daycare he looked in the back of my van. The look on his face when he saw 2 little black boys grinning back at him was priceless and well worth the inconvenience.

OK.

Point being. Racial profiling happens both ways. It's just that more black dudes tend to drive through white hoods than the other way around because the are simply more white hoods and most white dudes don't tend to drive through black hoods. No use getting all defensive and bent out of shape over it.

That is exactly what I said?

"Why let an idiot ruin your day? It is what it is. Harboring feelings of resentment or jealousy for things you can't control? ... So I assume you just want to whine and rant about the black man as you have been doing the whole time. What a waste." - Blackdog

Maybe the phone again?
 
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i dont understand why the blacks are regarded as a minority. i think both blacks and whites had settled down in america almost in the same period . in the 16th century, hundred thousands of blacks had been brought to america to be forced into slavery. neither their number nor their color must be a criteria to be seen as minority.in fact their number was much more in the past than now

While searching for statistics, saw an article that said there are more black men in prison today than were slaves in 1850

There Are More Black Males in Jail Today Than Were Slaves in 1850 | The Stir

The author is a black female

"30% of black males are either locked up or on probation or parole, and plenty more have at some point been one of the three"

She blames their mothers
 
While searching for statistics, saw an article that said there are more black men in prison today than were slaves in 1850

There Are More Black Males in Jail Today Than Were Slaves in 1850 | The Stir

The author is a black female

"30% of black males are either locked up or on probation or parole, and plenty more have at some point been one of the three"

She blames their mothers
This has absolutely nothing to do with what Medusa posted. At this point, it seems like your only goal is to smear and complain about black Americans. What's the deal?
 
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