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    Re: The new definition of "Racist".

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    My son spent $9k to attend a tech training school. He now makes $40/hr as a contractor.
    His black friend from HS spent $8k on spinning rims, neon running lights and a stereo system for his chevy impala. He now works a burger king.

    And yet some people will cry that my son should pay higher taxes because the other guy didn't have the same opportunities because he is black.....
    who are these people?

    I think you're just making stupid crap up as you go along.

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    Re: The new definition of "Racist".

    The really funny part is that I have seen racism from both sides. As the father of two black sons, I have had to explain to my boys that some people may look at them differently or with suspicion because they are black. I have had to tell them that some parents may not allow their daughters to date them because they are black. I have tried to teach them to not worry about the stupidity of others but instead to do what's right at all times and show these ignorant people how wrong they are. Racism on the part of others should never be an excuse for bad behavior on your part.
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    Re: The new definition of "Racist".

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    My son spent $9k to attend a tech training school. He now makes $40/hr as a contractor.
    His black friend from HS spent $8k on spinning rims, neon running lights and a stereo system for his chevy impala. He now works a burger king.

    And yet some people will cry that my son should pay higher taxes because the other guy didn't have the same opportunities because he is black


    I paid over 50k to put my daughter through college. My oldest adopted son isgoing to go to the same university for free because he is black and is getting a minority scholarship.

    And yet some people will cry that minorities don't have equal opportunity for education.

    And then they wonder why guys like me get pissed off when some toolbag calls us "racists" for suggestong that minorities are to blame for some of their own problems.
    So what? Let them cry what they want, you sound just as bad.

    Oh no! someone said my son needs to pay more taxes for black people to go to school. Man I need cheese for all this whine.

    Why let an idiot ruin your day? It is what it is. Harboring feelings of resentment or jealousy for things you can't control? I mean seriously if you were honestly wanting to debate the issue you would have replied to my second post, but you ignored it. So I assume you just want to whine and rant about the black man as you have been doing the whole time. What a waste.
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    Re: The new definition of "Racist".

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    indeed.

    I have NEVER called you stupid.
    And that's still not what he said...
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    Re: The new definition of "Racist".

    Social workers snatched me from the white parents I loved to make me live with a black family: How the colour-obsessed foster care system sentenced Dawn to a life of regret | Mail Online

    Talk about racism. I had similar experience with DHR and my oldest adopted son. Like Dawn, he was our first foster child. DHR also felt that he would be better off with "family", trouble was all his mother's family either did not want him or were unfit. UNTIL they learned a white family wanted to adopt him. Then all manner of 2nd and 3rd cousins came crawling out of the woodwork. The winner they decided was best for Lamar was a 3rd cousin who had just been released from prison after a 25 year sentence for murder. I hired a lawyer and sued DHR for custody becoming the first foster parent in the state ever to do so. It took 6 years and thousands of dollars to convince the courts to alllow Lamar to stay with the only family he'd ever known
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    Re: The new definition of "Racist".

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So what? Let them cry what they want, you sound just as bad.

    Oh no! someone said my son needs to pay more taxes for black people to go to school. Man I need cheese for all this whine.....
    raising taxes to pay for what?

    what is this dishonest claim Oscar is speaking of?

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    Re: The new definition of "Racist".

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    And yet some people will cry that minorities don't have equal opportunity for education.
    Actually, a lot of people point that out...because it is a fact. It is empirically demonstrable that the level of institutional support, access to relevant professional role models, academic resources, internship and job opportunities, presumption of competence/incompetence, socioeconomic mobility, educational attainment of previous family generations, and a host of other substantive indices of educational opportunity...are consistently lower for people of color vs. "white" people. That's not an anecdote or personal story about a specific person's children, but the overwhelming finding pulled from indicators across several major fields of study.

    So it's perfectly reasonable for "some people" to "cry" that minorities don't have equal opportunity for education...because...IN FACT...minorities don't have equal opportunity for education.

    This begs a rather serious question of whether or not you consider pointing to relevant FACTS to be "crying"/whining/some sort of underhanded persuasive tactic. Thankfully, that's not the topic.

    Grossly unequal educational opportunities which DO show strong correlation with whether or not someone is perceived as a person of color...is a clear case of institutional racism. Present-day institutions need not be involved in actively discriminating against people of color. Superficially "color-blind" admissions processes may simply inherit major inequalities stemming from sources mostly outside schools and colleges...and then simply do nothing (or not work effectively enough) to counteract the inheritance of such inequalities as they relate to attending and successfully completing study in a given school.

    For instance, in addition to common sense it has also been shown by social scientists that having one or more college graduates as parents is a strong predictor of one's likelihood to attend and graduate college. This advantage/disadvantage compounds over generations, and its relevance to racism (in particular, to the ongoing legacy of racist oppression) is as follows:

    Many students of color applying to college today have parents who were discriminated against in college admissions. Thus, despite not facing direct discrimination themselves, the loss of helpful potential resources (the lower frequency of having college graduates as parents) affects their likelihood to be admitted to and successfully graduate from colleges today. If you go back another generation or so, the difference is even more obvious, as two generations ago, many people of color were explicitly barred from attending college. Are either of these practices (heavy de facto discrimination against people of color in college admissions, or outright exclusion of all people perceived to be persons of color) in regular use today? No. But do they still have an impact upon admissions (and thus also hiring) today? Absolutely.

    This points to one of the most prevalent racist memes in current popular use. Many opponents of affirmative action policies (in addition to not being able to accurately identify affirmative action in the first place) object to it on the false premise that admissions and hiring processes have been or would be fair and meritocratic in the absence of affirmative action. This amounts to a willful ignorance of history and current events...and by extension, a de facto endorsement (by complicity) of white supremacist policy (after all...if hiring and admissions is (falsely) pretended to be meritocratic without affirmative action or other remedial measures in place, and the fact remains that "white" people -- usually "white" men -- occupy the majority of high positions...then the lurking implication is that "white" people are indeed superior and earned their privilege from such superiority). That's how the injection of just a few -- or even one -- false premise from racism can lead what would otherwise be a reasonable person to accept -- at least implicitly -- an absurd and heavily racist version of reality.

    This is exactly the kind of nuance and context required to have a reasonable discussion of racism, and racist oppression, in the present tense. Unfortunately it's exactly what is rarely seen in many attempts at discussion, because it requires getting past the level of individual/anecdotal experience and beyond implicit or explicit blame/exoneration.
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    Re: The new definition of "Racist".

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I mean seriously if you were honestly wanting to debate the issue you would have replied to my second post, but you ignored it.
    Sorry. I am posting from my phone and must have missed it amid the thunder clutter.

    Let me be clear. I do not hate all black people. I do not think all blacks are stupid, lazy or criminals. I think it is stupid to base your opinion of someone based on a stereotype. However, that does not change that fact that they exist and that they exist in part due to the actions of some black people. It will take efforts from BOTH sides to erase them. It is not as simple as "white people need to stop believing them" or "black people need to act better"

    That said, i do hate black people who ARE lazy, stupid or criminals. But guess what? I also hate white people who are stupid, lazy or criminals.

    My problem is with people who try to blame their problems on someone else. ie the reason so many black dudes get arrested is because of racism or racial profiling. In case you haven't noticed, there are plenty of white dudes in prisons for the same crimes as their black brothers.

    Yes a black dude driving/walking through a white neighborhood is likely to get stopped by the cops even if he has done nothing wrong. But a white dude driving/walking through a black neighborhood is just as likely to get stopped for no reason. Has happened to me on a couple of occassions. Was at Ft Benning TDY and my boys came to visit for a week. I needed daycare so I asked my roommate (a black LT) who had moved his family to Columbus where his kids went. So i signed my kids up for the week at a black church in a black neighborhood. 2nd morning on the way to drop them off i was stopped at a red light and a black cop pulled up behind me. Light turned green and i pulled away. Cop followed me for a couple of blocks then hit the lights. Said I ran the red light and asked what i was doing in the area. When i told him taking my kids to daycare he looked in the back of my van. The look on his face when he saw 2 little black boys grinning back at him was priceless and well worth the inconvenience.

    Point being. Racial profiling happens both ways. It's just that more black dudes tend to drive through white hoods than the other way around because the are simply more white hoods and most white dudes don't tend to drive through black hoods. No use getting all defensive and bent out of shape over it.
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    Re: The new definition of "Racist".

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Sorry. I am posting from my phone and must have missed it amid the thunder clutter.....
    excuses are like assholes: everybody's got one.

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    Re: The new definition of "Racist".

    i dont understand why the blacks are regarded as a minority. i think both blacks and whites had settled down in america almost in the same period . in the 16th century, hundred thousands of blacks had been brought to america to be forced into slavery. neither their number nor their color must be a criteria to be seen as minority.in fact their number was much more in the past than now

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