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    Re: Jury nullification... legit?

    If you ever want to get out of jury duty, wear a shirt that references nullification. you stand zero chance of being selected.

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    Re: Jury nullification... legit?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm fine with it. If 12 (mostly) random people think that someone who is technically guilty should go free because the law is unjust, it's probably a pretty decent indicator of the way the American public in general feels about it, and a sign that the law in question needs to be re-examined.
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    Re: Jury nullification... legit?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    If you ever want to get out of jury duty, wear a shirt that references nullification. you stand zero chance of being selected.
    This is very true. Judges and prosecutors now a days HATE jury nullification. So to those that ever think that they may need to use jury nullification never ever give a hint that you even know about it. Otherwise you will get booted from jury duty.
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    Re: Jury nullification... legit?

    If laws are unjust change the laws. I'm not a fan of nullification or allowing a small group of individuals change the law. Yes...in some circumstances laws should be changed...but nullification was also used in the south to let off murderers that killed civil rights protestors.
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    Re: Jury nullification... legit?

    I think jury nullification was part of the law when the Constitution was written. "Facts and law".

    I personally think it provides a needed counter to the current unlimited power of the Supreme Court.

    A mechanism to prevent 9 people from "ruling", to counter tyranny "on the ground" as it were.

    Right now, congress can pass a ridiculous law, get it upheld by a 5-4 majority and its the law of the land unless and until ANOTHER SC overturns it.

    It puts the "people" back into "of the people, by the people and for the people".

    It can of course be abused, but damn near anything can be.
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    Re: Jury nullification... legit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Could you please elaborate?
    Think "To Kill a Mockingbird."
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Jury nullification... legit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Could you please elaborate?
    Jury nullification has in the past been used to let white people that murdered black people go scott free.
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    Re: Jury nullification... legit?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Think "To Kill a Mockingbird."
    Thank you both for the elaboration.

    If it is allowable. Then it is allowable.

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    Re: Jury nullification... legit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Thank you both for the elaboration.

    If it is allowable. Then it is allowable.
    I'm not against jury nullification and I think it has its proper place - all i'm saying is that there are both pros and cons.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Jury nullification... legit?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Only takes one.
    That's not true. A unanimous decision is required for any kind of verdict (in most states, some only require a 10-2 majority), either guilty or not guilty. One dissenting person would result in a hung jury, and the defendant could be retried for the same crime.
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