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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What role should mercy place in society?



    There are many opportunities for us to show mercy to others in society. Our society is filled with criminals, deceptive politicians, narcissistic celebrities, people whom we deem immoral and others who act in ways that society considers negatives. Much, if not most, of the time, these people are met with fervent condemnation. It's cool to say that you hate reality stars. It's common to believe that murderers should be killed. It's normal to argue that bigots deserve nothing but disdain.

    But mercy is rare. Should it be? What role should it have in society? What role does it have in your decision-making process?
    we should be as merciful as possible to the.point of not enabling bad behavioral patterns.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I think it is also. I believe that being merciful as a human is good for the one who is merciful, however, I don't believe it is rational to believe that showing mercy to heinous murderers really accomplishes anything for them, besides keeping them locked up like animals.




    That is true, and the benefit is for you, not the one who inflicted pain on you. Showing someone mercy may help them improve as humans as a result of them having extended time, but it's not because you showed them mercy, but much more likely because they eventually achieved some semblance of conscience from within.
    I think rehab can be successful to some degree too, if more efforts were taken. Not all criminals of course, and not all cases can be rehabilitated. But quite a few could probably become productive members of society again and even good people, if they were given the chance, instead of just locking them away and "treating them like animals". At least more than currently.

    But I don't see how people could be convinced to use resources for such efforts, as the majority seems to dehumanize criminals, considers them monsters that should be locked away like animals, and even support for those in need who (still) abide to the law gets labelled as "evil socialism".

    People don't want to help criminals. They want to punish them and lock them as far away as possible.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I think rehab can be successful to some degree too, if more efforts were taken. Not all criminals of course, and not all cases can be rehabilitated. But quite a few could probably become productive members of society again and even good people, if they were given the chance, instead of just locking them away and "treating them like animals". At least more than currently.

    I don't know how much experience you have with the criminal element, but within many of our prisons and jails, it's the inmates treating each other, and those who work within the system, like animals. Anyone who hasn't worked with them would likely be appalled at the depravity happening within the prison walls. Unfortunately, many of them are the product of our social welfare programs, and they were raised without any decent role models.

    I would love to see some actual rehab of prisoners, but that's a very difficult bill to fill. In our country, the very idea of religious and spiritual expression has become demonized, and some exposure to something purposeful and meaningful is something that alot of prisoners would likely benefit from. We can't go back and fix their broken childhoods, so trying to rehab them would be a huge challenge, and frankly, I don't know if we're up to the task.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't know how much experience you have with the criminal element, but within many of our prisons and jails, it's the inmates treating each other, and those who work within the system, like animals. Anyone who hasn't worked with them would likely be appalled at the depravity happening within the prison walls. Unfortunately, many of them are the product of our social welfare programs, and they were raised without any decent role models.

    I would love to see some actual rehab of prisoners, but that's a very difficult bill to fill. In our country, the very idea of religious and spiritual expression has become demonized, and some exposure to something purposeful and meaningful is something that alot of prisoners would likely benefit from. We can't go back and fix their broken childhoods, so trying to rehab them would be a huge challenge, and frankly, I don't know if we're up to the task.
    Yes, it's certainly a very hard task. I don't have much experience with criminals (just the relatively harmless types, like petty theft or so), just the horror you read in papers or see in tv documentaries about the topic. Well, and that uncle of mine who shot my grandpa, set his house on fire after his release from prison and killed himself.

    I read in some cases, it's even a mental illness (be that bi-polar disorder, psychosis et al) that coincides with very bad life conditions ("bad childhood"), and to the degree treatments are found for such conditions, the less likely are these people turning to crime. But IIRC, I read that especially in the US, even many criminals with organic illnesses are locked away instead of treated the way medicine can today. It's pretty sad, I believe, when some seriously ill people who could be treated get no treatment, but instead just harsh punishments. Makes me think the line between victim and perpetrator is sometimes thinner than we think.

    I read that in Germany, at least young perpetrators get much attention regarding rehabilitation, with mixed success. The idea behind it is that young people (up to age 21) can still be changed and formed more easily than older criminals. The relapse rate is allegedly indeed considerably lower than in the US, where sometimes even children and mentally challenged people get sentenced to death/punished to the same extent as adults. But this rehab approach is not successful in all cases, of course, and you hardly ever read about those who make it, but the tabloids focus on the few relapse stories -- with the result you have a mob that constantly keeps demanding harsher punishments.

    There are even pedophile child abusers who are released at some point and make it without a relapse -- they voluntarily accept chemical castration, counseling and other programs of that kind. Yet the topic is so loaded that once the neighborhood learns their new neighbor once was convicted for pedophilia, he life is over.

    It's certainly a tightrope walk -- how do you weight the rights of potential victims against the rights of criminals who have paid the price for their deeds? Assuming for a particular group of criminals, the relapse rate is 25%, but 75% will not return to crime after a release. Is it wrong to run a 25% chance of endangering more people? Is it right to deny three former criminals their freedom, just because one other will relapse?

    It's certainly a very tough question. I don't have an answer.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    @lizzie:

    Oh, and yes, of course I think spiritual offers should be made to inmates. Religion has been proven to be an effective traditional means to help people coping with both extremely harsh experiences and guilt. (And it may even save their souls, if you believe that. )

    What you say about the conditions in prisons is indeed horrifying. Sometimes, it makes me think that even if the prisoners was not fully a criminal yet when he entered prison, he certainly will be one when he leaves it. Some may say these conditions are what they deserve, but I think even from a pragmatic point of view, conditions in prison should not be so bad that it makes people even worse who are released at some point.

    The stick only leads so far, sometimes you need a carrot too. I believe people who endure much evil are more inclined to return evil to other people, than people who experience mercy and love.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't know how much experience you have with the criminal element, but within many of our prisons and jails, it's the inmates treating each other, and those who work within the system, like animals. Anyone who hasn't worked with them would likely be appalled at the depravity happening within the prison walls. Unfortunately, many of them are the product of our social welfare programs, and they were raised without any decent role models.

    I would love to see some actual rehab of prisoners, but that's a very difficult bill to fill. In our country, the very idea of religious and spiritual expression has become demonized, and some exposure to something purposeful and meaningful is something that alot of prisoners would likely benefit from. We can't go back and fix their broken childhoods, so trying to rehab them would be a huge challenge, and frankly, I don't know if we're up to the task.
    Let me point you towards the growing movement for restorative justice. It aims to do exactly what you're hoping for, though through education and therapy-type activities, as opposed to religion. It has been tried a bit in the last few decades in states like California and Pennsylvania, with promising results, most notably a lower recidivism rate.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What role should mercy place in society?



    There are many opportunities for us to show mercy to others in society. Our society is filled with criminals, deceptive politicians, narcissistic celebrities, people whom we deem immoral and others who act in ways that society considers negatives. Much, if not most, of the time, these people are met with fervent condemnation. It's cool to say that you hate reality stars. It's common to believe that murderers should be killed. It's normal to argue that bigots deserve nothing but disdain.

    But mercy is rare. Should it be? What role should it have in society? What role does it have in your decision-making process?
    It depends, very situation dependent.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    What you say about the conditions in prisons is indeed horrifying. Sometimes, it makes me think that even if the prisoners was not fully a criminal yet when he entered prison, he certainly will be one when he leaves it. Some may say these conditions are what they deserve, but I think even from a pragmatic point of view, conditions in prison should not be so bad that it makes people even worse who are released at some point.
    I fully believe the bolded to be true. As for the conditions in prison being bad, it's mostly (in my experience) that the prisoners make it bad for each other, and it's allowed to happen by those running the prisons. I may be wrong, but I suspect that it's prisoners' *rights* that are mostly responsible for this travesty. Imo, prison should be run like a tight ship, with no allowances for sleazy and downright disgusting behaviors, but that is mostly what you see there.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    I voted for "Society should sometimes be merciful." of course

    sometimes

    everything is circumstantial though
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