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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    If you really hated the idea of killing a human being, you know, seeing and feeling life leaving his body, holding his hand while he dies from your hands, or operating the switch yourself -- then you wouldn't "parade around on a high horse spewing" advocacy of the death penalty, but be much more ambivalent towards it.
    Where did I ever say "we should be using the death penalty frequently and without heavy consideration"? Where did I ever say I fully and unabashedly endorse the death penalty? I didn't. I said the death penalty is more complex than you initially stated. You made a huge, quite frankly insulting leap, and it was completely inaccurate and uncalled for. And now you continue to make assumptions about my stance because....why, exactly?
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is where mercy is needed the most, and its the most difficult.
    Or, do you think our "no-mercy" American system really works ?
    I don't think our entire system of justice can be classified as "no mercy", nor do I agree with the premise that mercy is most needed in the case of serial offenders who cannot be or refuse to be rehabilitated.

    Is the system flawed? Most assuredly. Does that mean the solution to the problems we face sits in absolute mercy for the most heinous offenders? Absolutely not. Rehabilitation, which is and of itself merciful, should be our first course of action when it is logical and safe. When it is not, or when it fails, mercy may not mean the same thing to you as it does to me.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    i support the death penalty and according to you, i like killing other people and i am not civilized,why because i believe that

    no serial killer deserves to live.....
    I don't know that I would say you "like to kill people", but there must be some pleasure derived from knowing that the serial killer is dead.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What's interesting is that I have a somewhat opposite take on this. I've always felt that mercy should be given by man and that the decision to not give mercy should only be up to God.
    Interesting
    IMO, man can be God...at times...otherwise, there is no God.....

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Where did I ever say "we should be using the death penalty frequently and without heavy consideration"? Where did I ever say I fully and unabashedly endorse the death penalty? I didn't. I said the death penalty is more complex than you initially stated. You made a huge, quite frankly insulting leap, and it was completely inaccurate and uncalled for. And now you continue to make assumptions about my stance because....why, exactly?
    If I offended you, I apologize.

    I simply don't see how any human can have a good conscience when he claims the power to end the life of another human being. I mean, how can you live with it? Do you simply don't care and say "well, people say it's legal and justified, so it doesn't matter"? Or do you think being offended and hurt gives you that right?

    How can any human being claim the right to end the life of another, a gift God has given both of you?

    And I don't say this to attack or offend you, I am seriously asking these questions.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Then you are not merciful to the degree I believe people should ideally be.
    Well no ****. I think we established that with my first post. LOL

    And that was the whole point of this thread, I believe.

    I think mercy is liberating. When you make it to forgive someone who hurt you, that sets you free. That's of course very idealistic, and requires a lot of strength and moral integrity from any human being. But my whole point is, I was asked what place mercy should have in society, and that was my answer: Ideally, within all of us.

    And it's no big achievement when you can be merciful towards someone who loves you, or someone who never bothered you or even did you no harm -- the real achievement is when you can be merciful towards the person who inflicted pain on you.
    Some victims are able to forgive, some aren't and some don't have the chance to decide either way because, well, they've been murdered. You're saying that only one victim response is ok, I'm saying that's easy for you to say. How about a little mercy for how the victims and their families feel?

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't know that I would say you "like to kill people", but there must be some pleasure derived from knowing that the serial killer is dead.
    Not necessarily pleasure in their death, but perhaps pleasure in the fact that you now know that person can no longer poison society through death or influence upon others who might later kill. One of the most consistent character traits found in serial killers is their ability to charm and manipulate people. Giving them access and ability to continue doing so, even after imprisonment, allows that person to pose a continued risk through influence. I have yet to hear of any serial killer that was successfully rehabilitated or who benefited in anyway for access to psychological aid. What is "mercy" in respect to such a person? Better yet, when does mercy towards that person affect our ability to be merciful towards those affected by that person?
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    To me it's about the burden to society. If someone is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt gets his retrial and still loses, society gets punished.

    If he is 20 years old and gets life without the possibility of parole, who foots the bill for his living expenses for the next 50 years? Some could even make the argument that spending 50 years in a box is cruel and inhumane.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well no ****. I think we established that with my first post. LOL
    Yeah, kind of, I guess ... lol

    Some victims are able to forgive, some aren't and some don't have the chance to decide either way because, well, they've been murdered. You're saying that only one victim response is ok, I'm saying that's easy for you to say. How about a little mercy for how the victims and their families feel?
    Of course I am in no position to tell them how they are supposed to feel. I simply believe that two wrongs don't make a right, or that one immoral act cannot be cured by another. I believe that will not even help the victims.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't know that I would say you "like to kill people", but there must be some pleasure derived from knowing that the serial killer is dead.
    Yes, without hedging, I'll say that I took pleasure in hearing of Bin Laden's death, and Dahmer's death, and McVeigh's death and Bundy's death, etc. To my way of thinking, they got what they deserve.

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