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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Now, all of a sudden, you believe a person should suffer for a crime he's committed? That's not what you said earlier?
    I said revenge should not have a place in the legal system.

    I did not say the perpetrator should not suffer. It's important that first, society is protected from criminals, and second, punishment must deter other criminals. When the perpetrator suffers in the process, that is absolutely necessary. But he should not suffer for the sake of suffering.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Lol, well that's just bull****. If you're focused entirely on the criminal and what might make him feel bad, or even telling a victim that they're wrong to be angry or want retribution, than it's apparent where your sympathies lie, and that's fine. For myself, I cannot get the criminal act itself or the victims out of my mind.
    Well, first of all, when considering an entire crime, I don't focus entirely on the criminal. This thread is about one specific aspect which is why it's the focus of the conversation. Second, I've already said that I understand anger and the desire for retribution since I've felt them. I also stated that I believe the decision to give mercy is an individual decision. All of this means that I haven't "told people what to believe". Third, instead of actually trying to understand my position, you've distorted it and just decided that your distortion is what I actually believe. This is all ironic considering that you started off this thread telling another poster that he doesn't get to decide what others feel when you've just done that exact thing to me.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Suffering and pain only beget more suffering and pain. Revenge does not satisfy. When you punish someone, hurting them to satisfy the belief that you are morally superior to them, all you're doing is causing pain. It may make you feel good in the short term, but it turns you into a monster. Treatment of criminals must serve a utilitarian purpose, either protecting the rest of society, or rehabilitation to reform a criminal into a productive member of society. Hurting someone just so we can feel superior destroys the difference between us and the criminal.

    The criminal commits a crime. We punish the criminal. Prison reinforces the criminal mindset. The criminal gets out and commits more crime. Then we punish him again. The cycle repeats forever until someone stops hurting the other person. We must be the ones to break the cycle. A criminal seldom feels like he has a choice. No one wakes up and says "I'm going to do something evil today!". In every instance, we, the members of society, have a choice to break the cycle of suffering. And we must be the ones to step up and do it. We cannot be dismissive and say "they should do it instead of us". When we take that position, no one does anything.

    No, retribution is not a valid direction to take with a criminal, and to suggest that retribution is what a victim of their family deserves is petty. Retribution, the continuation of violence and pain, done on behalf of a victim or their family is demeaning to them. They are innocent until the moment that harm is done in their name, and then they are tarnished forever. And eye for an eye makes us as much criminals as the person we've convicted.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What role should mercy place in society?



    There are many opportunities for us to show mercy to others in society. Our society is filled with criminals, deceptive politicians, narcissistic celebrities, people whom we deem immoral and others who act in ways that society considers negatives. Much, if not most, of the time, these people are met with fervent condemnation. It's cool to say that you hate reality stars. It's common to believe that murderers should be killed. It's normal to argue that bigots deserve nothing but disdain.

    But mercy is rare. Should it be? What role should it have in society? What role does it have in your decision-making process?
    We need a whole lot more than "zero patience".
    I'd like to be a lot more merciful than I am.And number of people and government have been forgiving of me, and this is very much a positive.
    People should try some "mercy", as difficult as this can be.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    But he should not suffer for the sake of suffering.
    And I think some people commit acts that they deserve to suffer for.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    We need a whole lot more than "zero patience".
    I'd like to be a lot more merciful than I am.And number of people and government have been forgiving of me, and this is very much a positive.
    People should try some "mercy", as difficult as this can be.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    No matter if you are a common murderer or just taking joy out of executions -- there are always reasons, legal or illegal. But they are just excuses for not being civilized. Apparently, you simply love the idea of killing other people. It's really that simple.
    i support the death penalty and according to you, i like killing other people and i am not civilized,why because i believe that

    no serial killer deserves to live.....

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Everyone deserves a second chance. People are not perfect by any means. In that case, yes, mercy by our government should exist but not infinitely. It should be just enough to get people back on their feet.... and it should be tightly monitored. Mercy should exist always in the Christian Church. It's a tenant by which they live so all have mercy. In the legal system, mercy should be given when someone messes up for the first or second time.... after that, there's no excuse. In general, I support a much harder and fiercer penal system such that people would want to avoid it, not make it a career move because they have it better inside jail than outside jail. And lastly, for the most heinous crimes - those which pale beyond the most monstrous, mercy should be given by God not by man. The death penalty is warranted and should be carried out in a minority of cases.
    What's interesting is that I have a somewhat opposite take on this. I've always felt that mercy should be given by man and that the decision to not give mercy should only be up to God.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Seems to me it would be foolish to express mercy towards somebody who is likely to continue their destructive pattern of behavior. So without some level of contrition and rehabilitation I see no reason to introduce any act of mercy into the discussion. Some guy going on a killing rampage shouldn't be shown mercy as long as he's actively trying to keep killing. And if it's determined that he's unable to succeed in rehabilitation efforts, what level of mercy is even safe to offer up to him?

    The "noble criminal" perhaps deserves mercy...the man who steals to feed his family, the woman who attacks her husband to stop him from beating their children, the crazed father who beats the living hell out of the man who raped his daughter and "got away with it"....but to have mercy upon somebody who is repetitively and intentionally destructive to society of their own will and volition? I see no need.
    This is where mercy is needed the most, and its the most difficult.
    Or, do you think our "no-mercy" American system really works ?

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    And I think some people commit acts that they deserve to suffer for.
    Then you are not merciful to the degree I believe people should ideally be. And that was the whole point of this thread, I believe.

    I think mercy is liberating. When you make it to forgive someone who hurt you, that sets you free. That's of course very idealistic, and requires a lot of strength and moral integrity from any human being. But my whole point is, I was asked what place mercy should have in society, and that was my answer: Ideally, within all of us.

    And it's no big achievement when you can be merciful towards someone who loves you, or someone who never bothered you or even did you no harm -- the real achievement is when you can be merciful towards the person who inflicted pain on you.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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