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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    But nobody has argued that someone should feel more sorry for the perpetrator than the victims.
    Yes. Based on all I heard from victims of crimes, including people I know personally, all they want is answers and a closure. Not necessarily the death of the perpetrator. Especially frustrating is the lack of satisfying answers in many cases.

    As isn't death the easy way out anyway? He'll feel nothing and just go to hell (if you believe in a hell). If you really want to see him suffering, isn't knowing he'll spend most of his remaining life in prison, where he'll have plenty of time to rethink and regret his deed, the much better way?

    So I don't see why opposing the death penalty means you want the perpetrator to suffer less. He'll certainly suffer enough.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If I'm telling GG what to think by disagreeing with him, does that mean he did the same thing by expressing his opinion in the first place?
    No, it doesn't, but that's what you accused him of doing and now you are phrasing your opinions exactly as he phrased his, but not holding yourself to the same standard.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Just for the record: Of course I could be wrong. I just don't see how. When you really have a compassionate soul and a minimum of empathy, you cannot possibly like the idea of killing people, no matter if legal or illegal. Not necessarily because of what it means for *them*, but what it means for *you*.
    I have a compassionate nature, but otoh, I also support the death penalty in cases where there is absolutely no doubt about the the guilt of a murderer, but I do not support the death penalty for any other crime, period. Compassion does not mean that one is willing to forgive and forget heinous acts, but that one can objectively judge and administer just punishment. Compassion denotes understanding, not merely sympathy.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If I'm telling GG what to think by disagreeing with him, does that mean he did the same thing by expressing his opinion in the first place?
    Let me just say I understand where you are coming from, and I didn't mean to offend you. I don't think you love the thought of killing random people and jerk off at that idea.

    I think we all have this impulse inside us. Me too. If I saw someone killing a loved person, maybe I'd kill the perpetrator too in that moment. Maybe I'd wish him dead for a while. I just think I wouldn't do myself a favor by giving in to that feeling. It may give short-term relief, but soon, demons would haunt me.

    While this impulse is natural, I don't think we should act on it, but rather try to maintain a merciful soul, even if that's hard. And I don't think this impulse is much different from the impulse that drives many murderers. And that was the original question: What place mercy should have in our society.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    But nobody has argued that someone should feel more sorry for the perpetrator than the victims.
    Lol, well that's just bull****. If you're focused entirely on the criminal and what might make him feel bad, or even telling a victim that they're wrong to be angry or want retribution, than it's apparent where your sympathies lie, and that's fine. For myself, I cannot get the criminal act itself or the victims out of my mind.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I have a compassionate nature, but otoh, I also support the death penalty in cases where there is absolutely no doubt about the the guilt of a murderer, but I do not support the death penalty for any other crime, period. Compassion does not mean that one is willing to forgive and forget heinous acts, but that one can objectively judge and administer just punishment. Compassion denotes understanding, not merely sympathy.
    I don't think it requires sympathy with a murderer to change his punishment from death to a long prison sentence. As I said above, chances are he will suffer much more when left alife in prison, than by a quick death.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Yes. Based on all I heard from victims of crimes, including people I know personally, all they want is answers and a closure. Not necessarily the death of the perpetrator. Especially frustrating is the lack of satisfying answers in many cases.

    As isn't death the easy way out anyway? He'll feel nothing and just go to hell (if you believe in a hell). If you really want to see him suffering, isn't knowing he'll spend most of his remaining life in prison, where he'll have plenty of time to rethink and regret his deed, the much better way?

    So I don't see why opposing the death penalty means you want the perpetrator to suffer less. He'll certainly suffer enough.
    Yes, I imagine that if someone killed a person that I loved, I would want to kill them simply based on all the pain and rage I would feel from them permanently taking that person away from me. However, putting myself in that position, I don't know that watching them suffer in jail for years would ease that rage and pain because in those moments, you want a quick fix for what you feel. With that said, I don't know that watching them die would ease the pain and rage either because ultimately what I would want would be for the person I lost to come back which neither life in prison nor death would solve.

    It just seems healthier for to let go of the desire for revenge, but imagining myself in position, letting go would be tremendously difficult though ultimately freeing.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Everyone deserves a second chance. People are not perfect by any means. In that case, yes, mercy by our government should exist but not infinitely. It should be just enough to get people back on their feet.... and it should be tightly monitored. Mercy should exist always in the Christian Church. It's a tenant by which they live so all have mercy. In the legal system, mercy should be given when someone messes up for the first or second time.... after that, there's no excuse. In general, I support a much harder and fiercer penal system such that people would want to avoid it, not make it a career move because they have it better inside jail than outside jail. And lastly, for the most heinous crimes - those which pale beyond the most monstrous, mercy should be given by God not by man. The death penalty is warranted and should be carried out in a minority of cases.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I don't think it requires sympathy with a murderer to change his punishment from death to a long prison sentence. As I said above, chances are he will suffer much more when left alife in prison, than by a quick death.
    Now, all of a sudden, you believe a person should suffer for a crime he's committed? That's not what you said earlier.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I don't think it requires sympathy with a murderer to change his punishment from death to a long prison sentence. As I said above, chances are he will suffer much more when left alife in prison, than by a quick death.
    I don't wish for longer suffering.
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