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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    But now you're telling him what he can and cannot think is valid.
    No, I'm countering his suggestion that there should be no consideration for the crime and how it's impacted the victims or their families itself in determining punishment. Even if we could be 100% sure that we could keep someone from repeating their crimes, the crime itself deserves punishment.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    No matter if you are a common murderer or just taking joy out of executions -- there are always reasons, legal or illegal. But they are just excuses for not being civilized. Apparently, you simply love the idea of killing other people. It's really that simple.
    That statement, GG, is not only completely based on ignorance and your own prejudice, it's also absolutely untrue. If you want to have a legitimate discussion on the complexities of the death pentality I welcome it. But if you want to parade around on a sanctimonious high horse spewing ignorancing and generalizations then any respect I had for will continue to diminish rapidly. You know nothing about my stance or opinions on the death penality.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Good question.

    Imo, mercy is something that should be practiced at the personal level, as long as it isn't detrimental to the one showing it. At a societal level, it's difficult to say, as it tends to get tied into the legal and justice system, where it's essentially useless if the laws and penalties for breaking them become blurred.
    That being said, once a criminal has paid his debt to society, I think he/she should have that debt completely forgiven, and not be tagged for life with a criminal record.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No, I'm countering his suggestion that there should be no consideration for the crime and how it's impacted the victims or their families itself in determining punishment. Even if we could be 100% sure that we could keep someone from repeating their crimes, the crime itself deserves punishment.
    See, but you're still saying what we should think. If you believe that it's not okay for GG to say, "this is how it is", then why is it okay for you to reply, "no, this is how it is." (FTR, I don't have a problem with either one of you saying "this is how it is", but I don't understand why he can't say it, but you can.)

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    That statement, GG, is not only completely based on ignorance and your own prejudice, it's also absolutely untrue. If you want to have a legitimate discussion on the complexities of the death pentality I welcome it. But if you want to parade around on a sanctimonious high horse spewing ignorancing and generalizations then any respect I had for will continue to diminish rapidly. You know nothing about my stance or opinions on the death penality.
    If you really hated the idea of killing a human being, you know, seeing and feeling life leaving his body, holding his hand while he dies from your hands, or operating the switch yourself -- then you wouldn't "parade around on a high horse spewing" advocacy of the death penalty, but be much more ambivalent towards it.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't think anyone deserves mercy, but I do think those who are merciful to everyone and anyone are the most honorable of society. And when I say "mercy", I do not mean simply letting criminals out of jail to harm others again. Mercy can simply mean showing compassion rather than condemnation or choosing to inflict a lesser, but still effective, punishment for a criminal. For example, rather than calling a murderer a monster and wishing him a cruel end, one would still have compassion for him as human being and only wish for the punishment that would protect society from him.
    partly i agree with you ,but some serial killers may deserve much more than being kept away from society.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Good question.
    I'm glad you think so.

    Imo, mercy is something that should be practiced at the personal level, as long as it isn't detrimental to the one showing it. At a societal level, it's difficult to say, as it tends to get tied into the legal and justice system, where it's essentially useless if the laws and penalties for breaking them become blurred.
    That being said, once a criminal has paid his debt to society, I think he/she should have that debt completely forgiven, and not be tagged for life with a criminal record.
    I pretty much agree. What do you think about personal condemnation of criminals before they've paid their debt? For example, things like calling them "monsters" or wishing harm on them.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    See, but you're still saying what we should think. If you believe that it's not okay for GG to say, "this is how it is", then why is it okay for you to reply, "no, this is how it is." (FTR, I don't have a problem with either one of you saying "this is how it is", but I don't understand why he can't say it, but you can.)
    Just for the record: Of course I could be wrong. I just don't see how. When you really have a compassionate soul and a minimum of empathy, you cannot possibly like the idea of killing people, no matter if legal or illegal. Not necessarily because of what it means for *them*, but what it means for *you*.
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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    No matter if you are a common murderer or just taking joy out of executions -- there are always reasons, legal or illegal. But they are just excuses for not being civilized. Apparently, you simply love the idea of killing other people. It's really that simple.
    Honestly there are some crimes that are so heinous and brutal in nature that I just can't understand the mindset that feels more sorry for the perpetrator than the victims.

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    Re: What role should mercy play in society?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Honestly there are some crimes that are so heinous and brutal in nature that I just can't understand the mindset that feels more sorry for the perpetrator than the victims.
    Of course. Especially when you/a close person are/is the victim, it's just natural that you would feel more compassion with the victim than with the perpetrator. But the entire event is tragic.

    But we often have feelings that don't bring us further. I have heard from people who lost a loved person to a crime, and they said they didn't really feel any better after the criminal was executed. Many are even surprisingly merciful. Some said they even feel horrible after the execution. It's usually the rabid bystanders reading lurid newspaper articles or lurid reports in tv who demand the harshest punishments.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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