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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Neither fits my hopes...but at least Obama does not make me cringe every time he speaks.
    I'd rather cringe than feel pukey.
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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Explain please. Not for debate, simply for learning points. Not to make you feel old lol, but I wasn't around for LBJ and would like to hear the perspective of someone who was. Thanks in advance.
    Imo, LBJ set the standard for the sleazy crooked Texas politician. I grew up in Texas, where politics is dirty, and so are many of the people who gravitate toward the political world. There's probably nothing negative you could tell me about the man that I wouldn't believe.
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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Bush wasn't trying to destroy America. He might not have done a great job in some areas but his intentions were certainly better than the current clown in the Oval Office
    Fact: We were losing 750K jobs when Bush left office. And the stock market was incredibly low. You can't blame that on Obama no matter hard you try.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Fact: We were losing 750K jobs when Bush left office. And the stock market was incredibly low. You can't blame that on Obama no matter hard you try.
    Go back to 1999 and lay the blame at the source.
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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    His words for one. No evidence supported a growing and gathering threat. What everyone believed was some left over wmds.
    Eh, thats shaky. I think Bush was speaking in the confidence of the info given to him. Its not like he's an intel analyst. I think he has the same excuse LBJ has in that regard. I believe he was told by people he trusted that there was a threat. He did what most Presidents do, he trusted his advisors and made a decision. In that case, it was the wrong one. I do hold him responsible because it was on his watch. But I don't think the mistake was his interpertation of intelligence info. It was his trusting of an untrustworthy subordinate or group of subordinates.
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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Go back to 1999 and lay the blame at the source.
    Please explain.


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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Fact: We were losing 750K jobs when Bush left office. And the stock market was incredibly low. You can't blame that on Obama no matter hard you try.
    My progressive mother always used to say that republicans will blame the current problems on the preceding democrat and give the future credit to the previous republican. Who would have thought the lines go both ways!?

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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Please explain.
    Surely you understand how the mortgage crisis came to be, no? A little Republican and Democratic back-scratching in the late 90's? Ring any bells?
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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Surely you understand how the mortgage crisis came to be, no? A little Republican and Democratic back-scratching in the late 90's? Ring any bells?
    I'm interested in hearing this. Go on please.
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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Surely you understand how the mortgage crisis came to be, no? A little Republican and Democratic back-scratching in the late 90's? Ring any bells?
    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I'm interested in hearing this. Go on please.
    Yeah, I'm also curious to know what singular event in '99 created the housing bubble.
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