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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nor do I. I think he's responsible for what he did. He invaded two countries, one on a pretext. Iraq has always ultimately been up to the Iraqis. If Iraq is better, it is because of Iraqis, paid for with their blood. And if it falls apart, that too will be their legacy and not Bush's.
    Then we agree where I thought we originally disagreed.

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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    They are about equally mediocre in my eyes. They both fall in the lower half of the middle as far as presidents go. Just because I don't think eitehr of them are/were very good doesn't mean I have to buy into the hysteria that they are "the worst president ever".
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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I remember LBJ, and while not a fan, I would not rate him worse than Bush.
    Explain please. Not for debate, simply for learning points. Not to make you feel old lol, but I wasn't around for LBJ and would like to hear the perspective of someone who was. Thanks in advance.
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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Iraq has the potential to be even more devastating on a few levels. And as I understand it, Johnson was lied to, whereas Bush was part of the lie. Though close I might accept.
    Do you have proof of your Bush claim or is that just your opinion?
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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Do you have proof of your Bush claim or is that just your opinion?
    His words for one. No evidence supported a growing and gathering threat. What everyone believed was some left over wmds.

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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Explain please. Not for debate, simply for learning points. Not to make you feel old lol, but I wasn't around for LBJ and would like to hear the perspective of someone who was. Thanks in advance.
    I grew up during the VN era, and you could not be involved in that and not look at LBJ. Nearly everyone had an opinion, and he was a household name. I served just as the VN war ended, and he was a hot topic. So, I remember LBJ and I even studied him when I studied the VN. The Bay Of Tokin was big in that. LBJ was told the incident happened, and latter learned that it had not. He held a gruge over that as I understand it. Many considered him jerk (nice way of putting it). Listening to his tapes was interesting. Don't know if you can get those on the internet, but if you can they are worth listening to.

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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    His words for one. No evidence supported a growing and gathering threat. What everyone believed was some left over wmds.
    I think that to believe Bush lied (using the literal definition of the term) is to believe a conspiracy. What most likely occurred is that Bush pushed forward faulty intelligence because he was a careless president. Lying requires an intent to deceive.

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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Then, by that logic, and by using collateral damage numbers, Reagan was arguably better than Clinton, given that Clinton's bombing campaign against Iraq led to a half a million Iraqis losing their lives (most of them under the age of 15). Iraqis are still suffering from the effects from that campaign.
    500,000 dead Iraqis at the hands of Clinton? You'll have to refresh my memory.

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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post
    500,000 dead Iraqis at the hands of Clinton? You'll have to refresh my memory.
    Though the exact number is difficult to find, the UN noted that Iraq was being bombed on a weekly, sometimes daily, occurrence from 1993 till 2003. I couldn't find the number, but the deaths from bombing alone amounted to the hundreds of thousands. If you add the deaths as a result of sanctions, the number jumps to over a million. The widespread rate of increased birth defects is well documented. Do you remember Madeline Albright's controversial statement about the deaths being "worth the price"?

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    Re: Obama or Bush?

    Bush wasn't trying to destroy America. He might not have done a great job in some areas but his intentions were certainly better than the current clown in the Oval Office

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