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    Is he lying?

    Is Zimmerman lying ... by all accounts imho it seems he is. Certainly he should have a fair trial and it is likely forensic evidence will help solve the case.

    The closest witnesses described what they saw immediately after hearing gun shots.

    Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Lamilla, say they went outside when they heard the gunshot and saw Zimmerman standing over Martin.
    “We both saw him straddling the body, basically, a foot on both sides of Trayvon’s body and his hands pressed on his back,” Cutcher said.
    Cutcher says Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police.
    “Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything,” Cutcher said.
    Lamilla said that after the shot was fired Zimmerman appeared to be pacing.
    “He started walking back and forth like three times with his hand on the head and kind of, he was walking like kind of confused,” she said.
    Lamilla said he was touching his head like “he was in shock.”
    Police who responded to the scene noted that Zimmerman had injuries to his face and head.
    When Lamilla was able to see who had been shot, she was stunned.
    “And for me was a shock to see, ‘Oh my God, that it’s a kid. So skinny, no more than 20- years- old. So skinny, like baby faced,” Lamilla said.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    No clue whatsoever. I think its possible that Zimmerman maybe didn't plan on shooting the kid, and judging from the injuries on his face and head, it feels to me like this isn't straightforward.

    I think its completely possible that Zimmerman went up to the kid, planning on verbally abusing him, and maybe pushing him around. Martin didn't take it, and Zimmerman didn't back down, and it ended with him shooting Martin. As to what actually happened, I think we should leave that to the polygraph machines and experts.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post


    Hey ... I have been traveling ... threads are dogpiled as evidence surfaces and new information that Zimmerman felt scared and claims being jumped has surfaced.

    All threads are by choice ... do not post if you are tired of the topic or have been online for all of them.

    Usually such stories do not catch my attention so much as I prefer other topics yet I was in LAX and the ethical dilemmas and conversations caught my attention.

    I wanted to see where people fell in light of new details.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    A few days ago, I was ready to lynch Zimmerman. Good thing I couldn't find a rope.

    Now, I think he's most likely telling the truth. And, of course, unless the state can prove he's not, he'll be done with legal problems...but hardly done with problems. I really think, unless he leaves the area and changes his name, he could be assassinated. Nothing would surprise me here. This is a powder keg. For sure.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    A few days ago, I was ready to lynch Zimmerman. Good thing I couldn't find a rope.

    Now, I think he's most likely telling the truth. And, of course, unless the state can prove he's not, he'll be done with legal problems...but hardly done with problems. I really think, unless he leaves the area and changes his name, he could be assassinated. Nothing would surprise me here. This is a powder keg. For sure.
    I don't, but I never wanted to lynch him to begin with. The 911 calls definitely don't paint him in a good light, and some of his comments don't mesh with the eyewitness accounts, as Dion mentioned. I guess the proper course of action would be to "wait and see." It is entirely possible that the truth will never come out unless someone took a video we don't know of. The luxury of this kinda situation is that the other guy is too dead to tell his side of the story.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Zimmerman deserves a fair trial ... yet I suspect that he was playing cop and saw himself as important. He had placed so many calls to police over the past year and had no reason to follow or approach the kid.

    I doubt he planned to murder yet when he followed and harassed the kid and then pulled the trigger while playing cop ... he had to reframe it to appear he was scared and being attacked.

    I doubt it was racial as much as idiot guy playing cop. Zimmerman was the probably the biggest threat to the neighborhood safety and peace.

    I would eventually turn and confront Zimmerman if he followed me ... I am female and weight 108 lbs.

    Zimmerman needs to be in jail and have a trial.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Zimmerman deserves a fair tail ... yet I suspect that he was playing cop and saw himself as important. He had placed so many calls to police over the past year and had no reason to follow or approach the kid.

    I doubt he planned to murder yet when he followed and harassed the kid and then pulled the trigger while playing cop ... he had to reframe it to appear he was scared and being attacked.

    I doubt it was racial as much as idiot guy playing cop. Zimmerman was the probably the biggest threat to the neighborhood safety and peace.

    I would eventually turn and confront Zimmerman if he followed me ... I am female and weight 108 lbs.

    Zimmerman needs to be in jail and have a trial.
    Yeah, if the guy was guilty of anything, first and foremost it would probably be that he was an overzealous wannabe cop. I believe race was part of it but not all of it, as witnesses and neighbors have stated that he had a history of going door to door and telling residents to be on the lookout for "young black men who appear to be outsiders."
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Trayvon Martin shooting: New details emerge from Facebook and Twitter accounts, witness testimony | The Cutline - Yahoo! News

    This article was a bit interesting. It mentions that some of Zimmerman's accounts of being attacked by Martin were corrroborated by witnesses. And on top of that, the image of Martin being a upstanding high school citizen is also eroded.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Is Zimmerman lying ... by all accounts imho it seems he is. Certainly he should have a fair trial and it is likely forensic evidence will help solve the case.

    The closest witnesses described what they saw immediately after hearing gun shots.



    Inside Dateline - Witnesses describe Trayvon Martin's final moments; Parents say 'He was headed on the right path'
    In all honesty I don't know if he is lying or not.Zimmerman could be lying and stalked and killed Martin or Zimmerman was merely defending himself against Martin. IF Zimmerman was defending himself then the media is blatantly guilty of yellow Journalism,which wouldn't be the first time nor the last.If it is found out that the media is guilty of yellow journalism then they should be held liable for any damages and any cost to tax payers like police protection for Zimmerman.
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