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Is he lying?

Your instinct ... is Zimmerman lying about what took place?

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taxigirl said:
You said "Well zimmerman seems to think he will walk because of stand your ground then be free of civil suit too." I asked you "How do you know what Zimmerman thinks?" and the above is the response you give? what does one have to do with the other? Can you answer the question: How do you know what Zimmerman thinks?
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I don't really care what he thinks.
 
Link to tapes and interview with the father of Martin.

Question ... it was a crime scene ... Was the blood on Zimmerman his own or splatters from the GSW in Traebons chest and did they take a sample for an easy lab test?

Was forensic evidence taken from the site?

Did they document any injuries beyond Zimmerman's self description?

The parents are distraught as they hear Traevon being followed and he was almost back to the condo where his father was watching a basketball game. The second tape they hear Traevon yelling for help. It sounds like a young black male yelling and stops immediately after the gun shot. A forensic voice expert should be able to determine whose voice for certain is yelling.

Why did Zimmerman continue to pursue and why did he not immediately ask for medical assistance?

I worked ED for 14+ years and law abiding citizens would call for medical help yet Zimmerman did not. Despite epinephrine ... law abiding citizens usually call for medical assistance when it is needed. In some states that neglectful act could be viewed as criminal.

Both 911 tapes are in sequence in this interview.

 
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Dion said:
Link to tapes and interview with the father of Martin.
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Was Martin's father there?

No?

NEXT!

Question ... it was a crime scene ... Was the blood on Zimmerman his own or splatters from the GSW in Traebons chest and did they take a sample for an easy lab test?

Was forensic evidence taken from the site?

Did they document any injuries beyond Zimmerman's self description?
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Self Description? Why do you keep saying that. Officers responded and observed his condition and noted it in their report. There are links to the report all over this debate site and Im not digging it up for you.


The parents are distraught as they hear Traevon being followed and he was almost back to the condo where his father was watching a basketball game. The second tape they hear Traevon yelling for help. It sounds like a young black male yelling and stops immediately after the gun shot. A forensic voice expert should be able to determine whose voice for certain is yelling.
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There are some discrepancies as to who is yelling help. Trayvon's father said it wasn't Trayvon to the police. But then after this media ****storm blew up, he says it was. Hmm..


Why did Zimmerman continue to pursue and why did he not immediately ask for medical assistance?
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1. He wanted to keep an eye on the kid because he wanted to point out where the kid was to responding officer.
2. You stated yourself in the first post of this thread he was seen telling someone to call 911. Isn't that how you get medical assistance FFS!

I worked ED for 14+ years and law abiding citizens would call for medical help yet Zimmerman did not. Despite epinephrine ... law abiding citizens usually call for medical assistance when it is needed. In some states that neglectful act could be viewed as criminal.
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See above.

Both 911 tapes are in sequence in this interview.

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Actually, Ive heard the unedited version......... And this tape Anderson Cooper plays has been heavily edited.
 
SypherAL said:
I find it very hard to believe that Zimmerman got his ass handed to him by a 13 year old kid, which makes this even a more horrible crime because zimmerman knew he shot a child when he got a close look at him.
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Either you are being dishonest or you have been duped by the left wing propaganda machine that repeatedly shows you Martin's outdated 6th grade school picture.

Martin was a 17 year old athlete, not that little kid that the leftstream media keeps showing you.
 
Muhammed said:
Either you are being dishonest or you have been duped by the left wing propaganda machine that repeatedly shows you Martin's outdated 6th grade school picture.

Martin was a 17 year old athlete, not that little kid that the leftstream media keeps showing you.
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Treyvon Martin, 17, 6'3" 150 lbs: George Zimmerman, 28, 5'9" aprox 240 lbs, (and out of breath from running 10 seconds)
Treyvon could have outrun Zimmerman, at any time, if he felt threatened.
 
longview said:
Treyvon Martin, 17, 6'3" 150 lbs: George Zimmerman, 28, 5'9" aprox 240 lbs, (and out of breath from running 10 seconds)
Treyvon could have outrun Zimmerman, at any time, if he felt threatened.
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In a SYGL country you are not required to run; you're just required to carry a gun. Martin screwed up because he wasn't armed.
In a nonSYGL country where I grew up if I was being followed as Martin was I'd confront him. If the follower did anything physical to me there would be a fight.
 
Caine said:
This case has little to do with stand your ground at all.

This is about self-defense. Which has existed since the beginning of law itself.
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But there was no interest in real self-defense by the police. No attempt to find out how the fight started.

With Zimmerman following Martin outside his property and taking a physically assertive actions, carrying a gun, self-defense defense in court wouldn't work. With their SYGL self-defense defense is not necessary as you will not even be arrested.
An additional issue with the SYGL is: does it matter if Zimmerman started the physical confrontation between them although he was later loosing the fight (until Martin stopped). In this particular case the SYGL may support Zimmerman even if he started the fight he was loosing.
 
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OhIsee.Then said:
Oh really. Is he the King of Florida? Please explain to someone of mean intelligence how the Gov got the law changed through the state legislature before the Zimmerman used it.
My position is that the SYGL makes Florida kind of a foreign country.
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I already pointed this one out. Apparently fyrenza has also not noticed Bush is not long the Gov. of Fla. Fyrenza may want to let Rick Scott know Bush is "disallowing" votes in his state,
 
kenvin said:
I don't really care what he thinks.
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I you don't care them why did you comment "Well zimmerman seems to think he will walk because of stand your ground then be free of civil suit too."?
 
Has anyone thought about at which point in time Martin and Zimmerman got close enough to each other
for a physical confrontation to occur?
I don't see Zimmerman catching up to Martin, or cornering him.
The only way I see this happening, is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
 
longview said:
Has anyone thought about at which point in time Martin and Zimmerman got close enough to each other
for a physical confrontation to occur?
I don't see Zimmerman catching up to Martin, or cornering him.
The only way I see this happening, is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
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Martin knew he was being followed according to the girl he was talking to on the phone.

Knowing that he was being followed, apparently Martin briskly walked behind the residence and waited for Zimmerman to come around the corner and then confronted him.

Some would say that Martin lured him back there and waited. He knew he was being followed and ambushed him.
 
Muhammed said:
Martin knew he was being followed according to the girl he was talking to on the phone.

Knowing that he was being followed, apparently Martin briskly walked behind the residence and waited for Zimmerman to come around the corner and then confronted him.

Some would say that Martin lured him back there and waited. He knew he was being followed and ambushed him.
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talk about your wild speculation!!!!!
 
longview said:
Has anyone thought about at which point in time Martin and Zimmerman got close enough to each other for a physical confrontation to occur?
I don't see Zimmerman catching up to Martin, or cornering him.
The only way I see this happening, is that Martin approached Zimmerman.
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I agree. Given that Zimmerman chased after Martin first I'd expect Martin to approach Zimmerman. When I was 17 that is what I would have done and I haven't changed. And if Zimmerman did anything physical to me there would be a fight. However, in a SYGL country I'd have to carry a gun. If I was being followed in a SYGL country by Zimmerman and I turned to assess and approach who was following me I'd have my gun in hand but hidden. How about anyone else? Remember, in a SYGL you are essentially required to carry a gun. The mistake that Martin made was not carrying a gun. That's the fairness of the SYGL, carry a gun and everything is fair. And the police have less to do.
 
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Goshin said:
'Way to boil down a complex situation into a single frame cartoon and ignore half the evidence, bravo.
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Tucker likes it, good enough for me. :doh:
 
OhIsee.Then said:
In a SYGL country you are not required to run; you're just required to carry a gun. Martin screwed up because he wasn't armed.
In a nonSYGL country where I grew up if I was being followed as Martin was I'd confront him. If the follower did anything physical to me there would be a fight.
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Then you wouldn't be considered as "fearing for your life" either.
 
haymarket said:
Which blows to hell any ridiculous claim that the kid confronted Z.
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No. It doesn't.

The call with 911 from Zimmerman ended at 7:13pm.

The shooting took place at 7:16 or 7:17.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
But there was no interest in real self-defense by the police. No attempt to find out how the fight started.
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How do you know this? Please, present your evidence that the police did not attempt to find out how the fight started.


With Zimmerman following Martin outside his property and taking a physically assertive actions,
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What physically assertive actions did you witness sir?
carrying a gun, self-defense defense in court wouldn't work.
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People who kill others in self defense often do it with a gun. People who observed possible criminals to help and assist the police might want to carry a gun on them while doing so, in case the person they are observing attacks. WyTF Do you think security guards often carry guns (some don't I know, so don't derail)
With their SYGL self-defense defense is not necessary as you will not even be arrested.
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I just freaking said in the post you responded to that this is NOT a SYG defense! Zimmerman's attorney also said this. Why are you still hung up on SYG!
THIS IS NOT A STAND YOUR GROUND CASE
An additional issue with the SYGL is: does it matter if Zimmerman started the physical confrontation between them although he was later loosing the fight (until Martin stopped). In this particular case the SYGL may support Zimmerman even if he started the fight he was loosing.
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See above.
 
Muhammed said:
Martin knew he was being followed according to the girl he was talking to on the phone.

Knowing that he was being followed, apparently Martin briskly walked behind the residence and waited for Zimmerman to come around the corner and then confronted him.

Some would say that Martin lured him back there and waited. He knew he was being followed and ambushed him.
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That is not Zimmerman's statement though...


And while the girlfriend claims, how does she know what Martin is doing at every moment unless he was saying. "I am now taking a step towards the rear of this house." "I am now doing this" etc.

EARwitnesses, especially on a phone no less, can't testify to MOVEMENTS. They can testify to SOUNDS. This is why her statement doesn't sit well with me.....

She claims to know that Trayvon Martin was pushed due to the sound of his phone/headset falling. She has absolutely no REAL clue the CAUSE of the phone/headset falling.

Its also why I don't trust the media, they just report it that Trayvon got pushed, without taking into account you can't tell that via a telephone.


As I have stated in another thread..... I can be on the phone with my brother and know he was at the house doing something, and as we are talking about this or that, the next thing I know he is picking his wife up from work. No clue he left the house, because you can't hear where people are.
 
haymarket said:
talk about your wild speculation!!!!!
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It was wild speculation.

Just as freaking wild as anything those supporting Martin's "RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE" have speculated.


And, at least he isn't using the "skreeet justice lawyer's handbook" to determine that being followed is legal justification for slamming someone's head into the concrete multiple times while they scream for help.
 
I hate speculation.

What's worse is the probability that this will become the next OJ Simpson/Duke Lacrosse/Casey Anthony case, where it's highly politicized.

Whatever it takes to make money and stir tensions, I guess.
 
Caine said:
[...] I just freaking said in the post you responded to that this is NOT a SYG defense! Zimmerman's attorney also said this. Why are you still hung up on SYG! THIS IS NOT A STAND YOUR GROUND CASE.
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ABC News
By DAVID MUIR (@DavidMuir) and OLIVIA KATRANDJIAN
March 25, 2012

The attorney counseling George Zimmerman, who shot unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin as he was walking home from the store with a bag of Skittles, says if charges are filed, Zimmerman will argue that he acted in self-defense and that Florida's stand-your-ground law applies. [....]

George Zimmerman's Attorney and Friend Speak About Trayvon Martin Incident - ABC News
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Caution: self-starting video at link (I hate that crap)
 
More (that I haven't seen posted):

CBS News
By Mark Strassmann
March 27, 2012 7:10 PM

On February 26th, the night Martin was killed, police questioned Zimmerman for five hours at police headquarters. The police report noted Zimmerman was "bleeding from the nose and the back of the head." [Karl: nosebleed, okay; broken nose, unlikely] [...] Police did not administer a drug and alcohol test or an immediate background check on Zimmerman, although they did both on Martin.

The next day, detectives re-enacted the shooting with Zimmerman at the scene. They also discovered Zimmerman had two prior arrests: one for assaulting a cop, the other for domestic abuse. For the next two weeks, lead investigator Chris Serino pursued a manslaughter charge against Zimmerman. Police interviewed at least six witnesses. But none of them saw how the confrontation began or the shooting that ended it. Public pressure grew. On March 12, police gave the case to State Attorney Norm Wolfinger. He told them they needed more evidence to arrest Zimmerman. [...]

What happened right after Trayvon Martin's shooting? - CBS News
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On Zimmerman's injuries, there is a police surveillance video @ ABC News of him being processed at the police station. At that point, there is no bleeding or blood evident. It would appear that any EMS treatment at the scene cleared all that up.
 
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