• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Is he lying?

Your instinct ... is Zimmerman lying about what took place?

  • Total voters
    57
xpiher said:
It doesn't matter if it was legal its still manslaughter since Martin did not approach him until after he had been followed for a long time. Under the "stand your ground law" Martins approach is justifed.
Click to expand...
Followed for a long time? lol
You realize that this happened over a very short time period, right?
It is not manslaughter.
Zimmerman was not in the wrong for following. He just wasn't.
Trayvon was in the wrong for acting out violently.
Trayvon's thoughts and feelings, have no bearing on Zimmerman's actions.
Zimmerman feared for his life and acted accordingly within the confines of the law.



xpiher said:
Yes, if the assault is unprovoked. In this particular though, the case can be legitimately made that Martin felt threatened. The police should have and might be able to still do a proper forensic analysis to determine who stared the fight.
Click to expand...
It does not mater if Trayvon felt threatened.
This is not about what he felt.
It is about Zimmerman's actions and if they fall with in the confines of the law.

What Trayvon thought or felt has no bearing on what charge Zimmermon could receive. None.
 
I find it very hard to believe that Zimmerman got his ass handed to him by a 13 year old kid, which makes this even a more horrible crime because zimmerman knew he shot a child when he got a close look at him. Whatever the case may be, Florida knows exactly what their doing and Zimmerman has a beast attorney, he knows very well what he's doing. Anyone notice how the first picture of zimmerman looked like a mug shot? Now he's dressed in a suit with a shaved head smiling with a bible in his hand? They are going to paint Zimmerman as the victim, and it probably will work. Why else would they release records of the boy being caught with marijuana shake in his back pack? What the hell does that have to do with him being shot for wearing a hoodie? is it to make it appear that he was engaging in a crime? I dont know about anyone else, but the last thing someone is thinking about when high on weed is looking for a crime, unless they are out of money looking to rob a white castle.
 
barbarian_style said:
You can stand on your race card all you want, so here you go if they did not do their job due to race then they are incompetent.
Click to expand...
From Wiki:
Incompetent person (legal), person not of sound mind or mentally impaired, unable to make decision for himself or herself.
So is a police officer that is doing his job carefully, following the SYGL to the T, and supporting the culture of the his environment being incompetent? I think not. Remember what his culture requires. Not your's, his.
 
Last edited:
Excon said:
...
Trayvon was in the wrong for acting out violently.
...
Click to expand...
Not if Zimmerman physically did something to Martin that could be considered minor assault.
I still haven't seen anything that indicates that Zimmerman didn't do anything to Martin first.
This is critical in a SYGL country.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
Not if Zimmerman physically did something to Martin that could be considered minor assault.
I still haven't seen anything that indicates that Zimmerman didn't do anything to Martin first.
This is critical in a SYGL country.
Click to expand...
lol

No really?

lol

You haven't seen something that doesn't exist?

That seals it.
Yep, he's definitely guilty then.

Come on.
Really?
 
Excon said:
Followed for a long time? lol
You realize that this happened over a very short time period, right?
It is not manslaughter.
Zimmerman was not in the wrong for following. He just wasn't.
Trayvon was in the wrong for acting out violently.
Trayvon's thoughts and feelings, have no bearing on Zimmerman's actions.
Zimmerman feared for his life and acted accordingly within the confines of the law.
Click to expand...

Why are you so certain that he did nothing wrong?

It does not mater if Trayvon felt threatened.
This is not about what he felt.
It is about Zimmerman's actions and if they fall with in the confines of the law.

Whet Trayvon thought or felt has no bearing on what charge Zimmermon could receive. None.
Click to expand...


Yes it does matter because of the stand your ground law.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk
 
OhIsee.Then said:
From Wiki:
Incompetent person (legal), person not of sound mind or mentally impaired, unable to make decision for himself or herself.
So is a police officer that is doing his job carefully, following the SYGL to the T, and supporting the culture of the his environment being incompetent? I think not. Remember what his culture requires. Not your's, his.
Click to expand...


http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/122239-he-lying-12.html#post1060337003

expand you vocabulary and try again... click on the link and see even the adjective definition.

incompetent - definition of incompetent by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
 
Last edited:
Dion said:
Is Zimmerman lying ... by all accounts imho it seems he is. Certainly he should have a fair trial and it is likely forensic evidence will help solve the case.

The closest witnesses described what they saw immediately after hearing gun shots.



Inside Dateline - Witnesses describe Trayvon Martin's final moments; Parents say 'He was headed on the right path'
Click to expand...

So.. he was pacing around?

The adrenaline involved in being in a situation and having to make a decision like that is very tramatic.... people pace around when life changing things happen.... we can all agree

Just a few examples....... This has happened COUNTLESS times when I have gone to inform folks that their family member is dead (a kid in a crash I had to tell his parents), or in the case of a man whose wife of 78 years old was dead but paramedics were in the process of trying to revive her.

And a personal example..... When my dryer caught on fire and threatened to burn my house down, after the adrenaline rush of running upstairs and snatching my kids out of the house since their rooms are above the garage where I dragged the flaming drying before it got worse.... anyways, After I got outside and was awaiting the fire department I was pacing around.. and... imagine this... grabbing my head.

Its what people do. If anything it proves to me that this isn't a situation where He intended for this to happen, and it was traumatic for him.
 
Dion said:
Yet, we have Zimmerman"s own words that he is following the kid. Zimmerman did not observe the kid on private property or harassing anyone. The kid was walking in the public street and tapes documented he had just been to the store and purchased candy.

I have a kid that age ...that is skinny and gangly and likes to go to the store and get skittles. Zimmerman felt the kid was acting odd yet I view Zimmerman as acting really odd. He is not trained in law enforcement and had no reason whatsoever to brandish a lethal weapon at that kid.
Click to expand...
So getting his head pounded into pavement isn't reason to brandish a weapon to make the assault stop? Cool deal. One doesn't have to be trained in law enforcement to observe the actions of another. That is what Zimmerman was doing, following him so he could let officers know where he is, and so that he can be a witness to any crime that occurred during that time, if any. You and I may think what Zimmerman was doing was "different", but I can't fault a guy for wanting to protect his neighborhood. You and I were not present and do not know what if anything about Martin seemed suspicious.

Honestly ...from a female standpoint ... that big dumb idiot guy sounds like a real pu$$y to have reached for his gun in light of the his own phone call and the facts ( Zimmerman could have defended himself easily with a kid weighing almost half of his own mass and Zimmerman was the one stalking and no witnesses that saw the supposed punch)
Click to expand...
Yes, Fat makes skill. Weight means all. So a 700lbs dude who can't get out of bed can surely kick my ass!

My kid wears a hooded sweatshirt in spring weather ... if stalked by a guy that looked like Zimmerman he would be scared. If harassed enough or provoked he might throw a punch and he does not get in fights.
Click to expand...
And yet the first exchange of words was from Martin to Zimmerman. So much for harassment.

Zimmerman deserves a fair trial ... yet the police are suspect in my opinion to simply have accepted Zimmerman's far out story.
Click to expand...
He has wounds that matches his story, and a witness to part of the story. Plus his already entered call for service about the suspicious person. Doesn't seem so damned far out to me......


There needs to be a trial yet I suspect Zimmerman was not racist ... just a low self esteem idiot playing tough guy. The police ...? I do wonder if some racism was involved ... and the whole story of Zimmerman ... stinks.
Click to expand...
What leads you to believe racism was involved? Or are you just being prejudiced?

The media ... has reported new details and although I agree with media reporting from corporate networks is trash ... the parents had to get the media's attention in order to even have Zimmerman questioned.
Click to expand...
You mean lynched... not questioned.

The police failed ... as they had no evidence and arrived to find the kid dead with no weapon and weighing almost half of Zimmerman's weight and knew that Zimmerman had followed the kid by his own admission to the 911 operator.
Click to expand...
So if a 700lbs dude shot me while I was trying to strangle him in his bed..... it would be suspect because he weights 4 times me?

Another thought ... I wondered if Zimmerman had serious mental health issues.
Click to expand...
I wonder if people calling for Zimmerman's lynching have serious mental health issues. You have about as much reason to believe your preponderance as I do.

Whatever happened ... no investigation? Get real ... if that were my kid I would have called every network I detest (Fox, MSNBC etc) and hired a private firm to investigate.
Click to expand...
No investigation? Is that why there was a report and a guy taken into police custody for questioning and then released? Witnesses given statements, etc?
 
Dion said:


Couple that with Zimmerman pursuing an unarmed teen recorded on 911 dispatcher despite being told to stop ... and a few minutes later the unarmed teen is dead with George standing on the body and not calling an ambulance.

He needs to be arrested in the murder and and the truth discovered either way and justice served.
Click to expand...


Arrested based upon what probable cause?

Oh, yeah, you know.... that little standard that is required to take away someone's freedom under the law... probable cause....
 
Caine said:
Arrested based upon what probable cause?

Oh, yeah, you know.... that little standard that is required to take away someone's freedom under the law... probable cause....
Click to expand...

I think they can shoe zimmerman shot him. That is probable cause.
 
kenvin said:
I think they can shoe zimmerman shot him. That is probable cause.
Click to expand...

No. It isn't probable cause.

They have prove he UNLAWFULLY shot Zimmerman.

And it has to be proven that he did so with malice for murder.
 
Caine said:
No. It isn't probable cause.

They have prove he UNLAWFULLY shot Zimmerman.

And it has to be proven that he did so with malice for murder.
Click to expand...

No they don't zimmerman killed an unarmed minor. That is unlawful. You want zimmerman to face no consequences for taking a life that was no threat to him.
 
kenvin said:
No they don't zimmerman killed an unarmed minor. That is unlawful. You want zimmerman to face no consequences for taking a life that was no threat to him.
Click to expand...
I know that I've posted about how does one know which, Zimmerman or Martin, started the fight from a SYGL POV.
However, the only thing that matters in the foreign country of Florida in this case is the SYGL. Given the SYGL it's very hard to prove in a court that there was an illegal killing of any sort. I think this is the intention of the SYGL.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
I know that I've posted about how does one know which, Zimmerman or Martin, started the fight from a SYGL POV.
However, the only thing that matters in the foreign country of Florida in this case is the SYGL. Given the SYGL it's very hard to prove in a court that there was an illegal killing of any sort. I think this is the intention of the SYGL.
Click to expand...

Well if making it impossible to prosecute murder is the goal let's let zimmermans killer have a chance to go free too.
 
kenvin said:
No they don't zimmerman killed an unarmed minor. That is unlawful. You want zimmerman to face no consequences for taking a life that was no threat to him.
Click to expand...

No. that is not unlawful.

You really need to learn your laws buddy.

He was getting his head smashed into the pavement by someone who just broke his nose while he screamed for help and received none.

No threat? You are either willfully ignorant of the facts known so far in this case, or you are trolling.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
I know that I've posted about how does one know which, Zimmerman or Martin, started the fight from a SYGL POV.
However, the only thing that matters in the foreign country of Florida in this case is the SYGL. Given the SYGL it's very hard to prove in a court that there was an illegal killing of any sort. I think this is the intention of the SYGL.
Click to expand...

This case has little to do with stand your ground at all.

This is about self-defense. Which has existed since the beginning of law itself.
 
Caine said:
No. that is not unlawful.

You really need to learn your laws buddy.

He was getting his head smashed into the pavement by someone who just broke his nose while he screamed for help and received none.

No threat? You are either willfully ignorant of the facts known so far in this case, or you are trolling.
Click to expand...

Zimmerman stalked and went after an unarmed minor. He is a murdering wana be Rambo.
 
Caine said:
This case has little to do with stand your ground at all.

This is about self-defense. Which has existed since the beginning of law itself.
Click to expand...

Well zimmerman seems to think he will walk because of stand your ground then be free of civil suit too. Then he can collect the book money for the blood on his hands. Does zimmerman have a wife? I hope she doesn't get hurt by the evil her husband has brought into the world. Zimmerman will be glad he can play Rambo all the time if she get killed on accident.
 
kenvin said:
Well zimmerman seems to think he will walk because of stand your ground then be free of civil suit too. Then he can collect the book money for the blood on his hands. Does zimmerman have a wife? I hope she doesn't get hurt by the evil her husband has brought into the world. Zimmerman will be glad he can play Rambo all the time if she get killed on accident.
Click to expand...

How do you know what Zimmerman thinks?
 
taxigirl said:
How do you know what Zimmerman thinks?
Click to expand...

Well he should think that killing that kid is the biggest mistake of his life. He should want to trade places with kid hr killed. He should want to be dead.
 
kenvin said:
Well he should think that killing that kid is the biggest mistake of his life. He should want to trade places with kid hr killed. He should want to be dead.
Click to expand...
You said "Well zimmerman seems to think he will walk because of stand your ground then be free of civil suit too." I asked you "How do you know what Zimmerman thinks?" and the above is the response you give? what does one have to do with the other? Can you answer the question: How do you know what Zimmerman thinks?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom