There's no doubt in my mind Zimmerman is responsable for the death of Trayvon. If but for Zimmerman, Martin would be alive.
That said, whether or not he was legally responsable, if it was racially motivated, etc are all up in the air and making judgement calls on it right now is just unwise.
There's a ton of conflicting evidence with nothing but personal judgements and biases playing into which ones people decide are credible and which ones aren't. The case absolutely needs to be looked into, but beyond that the legal system needs to play out.
For all those that try and claim this is race, lets back up a bit and be honest as well. Is the fact its such a huge story based around the notion that it was portrayed as a "white man" (later it's been found to be a half-hispanic man) show a "black kid". In 2010, also in Florida, you had an instance where a person with a gun interjected himself into a situation he had no business interjecting himself into. The actions of said individual caused some witnesses to claim that the victim "attacked" first, leading to the initial guy shooting and killing the victim. That case too did not end in a conviction or even a real trial as the shooter was not responsable under the law. While that story wasn't a man killing a teen, it was a man killing another man in front of his victim's 8 year old daughter, so still had a heartstring pulling angle to it.
That time, it was the Black Guy who was the shooter that was not brought to trial and the White Guy who died. However, that one didn't beome national news.
For all those jumping on the racist bandwagon, I'd suggest holding off and also understanding that notion cuts both ways. And in regards to the case overall, I think we need to stop trying the case in the court of public opinion (even though I know that will never happen) and let this process play out. Beyond a doubt, regardless of the outcome, this is an unfortunate and sad event that frankly did not have to happen.
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It isn't a stand your ground issue. Zimmerman wasn't standing his ground. He was on the ground and Martin bashing his head into the concrete sidewalk.
Trayvon Punched, Slammed Zimmerman's Head: Cops | ReutersAs heard on the 911 tapes, Zimmerman got out of his car and began to follow Trayvon. At some point, he was told by the dispatcher that he did not need to follow the teen.
As some editorials have argued, the law may well lead to hot heads and the over zealous going too far.
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There are witnesses that say Martin was attacking Zimmerman.Which if this is the case then Zimmerman had the right to use lethal force to defend himself. You can't judge someone's ability to fight based on the most innocent looking picture the alleged assailant's parents can find. I do not think the police oh yeah the guy shot is black, no big deal, charges dropped.
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I say that because there was nothing wrong with Zimmerman's actions of trying to keep Trayvon under observation until the police arrive.
It simply isn't wrong or criminal to do.
Doesn't matter if Trayvon didn't like it or was scared or anything.
He is the one who acted wrongly first.
Trayvon acting out violently is wrong and he is therefore responsible for his own death.
This opinion subject to change if new evidence comes out that actually renders Zimmerman's statement void.
No evidence exists to contradict Zimmerman's statement.
I suspect he is withholding lots of the truth and only leaking out what he feels favors him.
In the end, he stuck his nose where it did not belong and now a kid is dead at his hand.
And it is your certainty which is so frightening.There's no doubt in my mind Trayvon is responsible for the death of Trayvon. If but for Trayvon, Trayvon would still be alive.
Last edited by haymarket; 03-27-12 at 11:19 AM.
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If lie detector tests are used routinely on TV shows from Steve Wilkos to Judge Ross, why not use one here?
That way all the speculation can come to an end.