View Poll Results: Your instinct ... is Zimmerman lying about what took place?

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Thread: Is he lying?

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post


    He needs to be arrested in the murder and and the truth discovered either way and justice served.
    Why? Theres no evidence that Zimmerman committed a crime

    Instead of looking at the facts of the shooting, you are looking at the overall "emotion" of the shootings

    Do not approach this delicate subject based on feelings and emotions. Base it on facts and evidence

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    Re: Is he lying?

    The point here is that we have taken it upon ourselves to be judge and jury with a threadbare amount of information which could neither absolve nor convict anyone in any court of law. Discussing the issue of the "Stand Your Ground" law is probably fair enough, but to judge one's guilt or innocence even as toothlessly as on this forum is grounded in bias and ignorance alone, as evidenced by the usual suspects on either side lining up on the issue in typical knee-jerk fashion.
    Last edited by Meathead; 03-27-12 at 04:36 AM.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Ilyich View Post
    Zimmerman's conversation with the 911 dispatcher directly before the altercation support his claim that he had lost sight of Martin, Martin's girlfriend confirms that it was Martin who confronted Zimmerman about being followed, eye witnesses support his claim that he was on the ground, injuries treated by EMS officials are consistent with both eye witnesses and Zimmerman's version of the events, and observations by the police of blood and grass stains on Zimmerman's clothing corroborate his statements.

    Cutcher and Lamilla only saw after the gun shot. It seems incredibly reasonable to assume Zimmerman was initially unaware of how injured Martin was but leapt to his feet to subdue Martin, which is completely consistent with the women's claim of him pressing his hands to his back, then let up as he realized Martin was dead, which again is consistent with their claims.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I just don't see how you could come to the conclusion that he must be lying when his version of the events is supported by virtually all the facts.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    The point here is that we have taken it upon ourselves to be judge and jury with a threadbare amount of information which could neither absolve nor convict anyone in any court of law. Discussing the issue of the "Stand Your Ground" law is probably fair enough, but to judge one's guilt or innocence even as toothlessly as on this forum is grounded in bias and ignorance alone, as evidenced by the usual suspects on either side lining up on the issue in typical knee-jerk fashion.
    And the horribly sad part of it that our NEWS services,

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    East,
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    have failed, miserably, in giving us accurate and TRUE information regarding any part of this.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    The point here is that we have taken it upon ourselves to be judge and jury with a threadbare amount of information
    Yes that is what was happening.
    They were and still are doing, forming an opinion without what is the known evidence.


    But this is a debate forum so if we want to debate something we have to go with what is available.
    To ignore what is available in favor of an opinion is ridiculous. Especially when that opinion is not in accord with the known evidence.

    In this instance, the evidence and information we have, as it is, is enough to say that he acted in self defense.
    Until that point that other evidence contradicts it.
    At that point, yeah, introduce it and add it to the debate.

    But as it stands we have enough information.


    We also have enough to form an opinion, as to the correctness of the first investigation.

    And this isn't a SYG issue.
    Last edited by Excon; 03-27-12 at 05:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I guess you didn't read what came before.
    Zimmerman was not told anything. "We don't need you to that." is not being 'told' anything. It is not an instruction or an order. It was a suggestion that he had no obligation to follow. The Police Chief has even stated that is was only a suggestion and that he was under no obligation to follow.

    Following anybody for the purposes of keeping them under observation until police arrive is not wrong.
    It is actually appropriate.

    He does not need to be arrested.
    An investigation was conducted. There was no evidence that contradicted his statement, but evidence that was consistent with and corroborated it.
    The guy followed the kid kid defended himself after being approved by said guy. Guy kills kid. Manslaughter. That's the position the prosecution should have taken. That's the proof by the phone calls/transcripts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Ilyich View Post
    Zimmerman's conversation with the 911 dispatcher directly before the altercation support his claim that he had lost sight of Martin, Martin's girlfriend confirms that it was Martin who confronted Zimmerman about being followed, eye witnesses support his claim that he was on the ground, injuries treated by EMS officials are consistent with both eye witnesses and Zimmerman's version of the events, and observations by the police of blood and grass stains on Zimmerman's clothing corroborate his statements.

    Cutcher and Lamilla only saw after the gun shot. It seems incredibly reasonable to assume Zimmerman was initially unaware of how injured Martin was but leapt to his feet to subdue Martin, which is completely consistent with the women's claim of him pressing his hands to his back, then let up as he realized Martin was dead, which again is consistent with their claims.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I just don't see how you could come to the conclusion that he must be lying when his version of the events is supported by virtually all the facts.
    yup manslaughter

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    Quote Originally Posted by fyrenza View Post
    I fluking LURVE you!!!
    You do realize that, if that is true, than Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter right?

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The guy followed the kid kid defended himself after being approved by said guy. Guy kills kid. Manslaughter. That's the proof by the phone calls/transcripts.
    lol
    It is not "proof" of anything.
    You might want to look that word up. Using a legal dictionary would be even better.

    The evidence is consistent with Zimmerman's statement.

    You can not just attack someone because they followed you.
    Trayvon was in the wrong here.


    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    yup manslaughter
    Justifiable homicide, by Self Defense.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    The guy followed the kid kid defended himself after being approved by said guy.
    Approved?! That's only slightly less ridiculous than the rest of the post unless you have some insider information not available to the rest of us.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    In all honesty I don't know if he is lying or not.Zimmerman could be lying and stalked and killed Martin or Zimmerman was merely defending himself against Martin. IF Zimmerman was defending himself then the media is blatantly guilty of yellow Journalism,which wouldn't be the first time nor the last.If it is found out that the media is guilty of yellow journalism then they should be held liable for any damages and any cost to tax payers like police protection for Zimmerman.
    And more than that, since he and his family have had to go into hiding due to death threats, him thrown out of college etc.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    wow Xcon ... You are about the first poster who believes there should be no trial!

    On the evidence now of course there should be no trial. You do not indict all suspects and send the to a trial for a jury to sort it out. Unless the prosecutor is confident he/she has a case to show precisely what happened beyond a reasonable doubt and to the exclusion of other possibilities (Florida standard), no one should be arrested, indicted, and taken to trial - in jail the year or more until that happens.

    NEVER should a case be taken to trial when it unknown for sure what happened. I think you will find all except those who want Zimmerman punished regardless of law and due process of law agree. Even those who think what he did was ethically wrong - but aren't just fantatical - agree that the rules of law and presumption of innocence apply to Zimmerman the same as everyone else.

    Trials are NOT to try to figure out what happened. They are ONLY suppose to happen if the state/prosecutor is certain what happened and then asked for all 12 jurors to 100% agree. Trials are investigations or run-it-up-the-flag-pole like a crap-shoot.

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