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    Re: Is he lying?

    Uhhh I think the issue under the Stand Your Ground Law is that both Zimmerman reports to the dispatcher Traebon is running away from him and the gf reports during her call that Traebon tells her he is walking away fast from Zimmerman.

    The call began at 7:12 and he is dead at 7:17 and both Zimmerman reports Traebon walks away and the gf reports Traebon tells her he walks away.

    The Stand your Ground Law is more likely to support Traebon.

    There is no reported medical evidence of George's injuries by the skinny kid he pursued beyond self description.

    Well this is an example of law abiding citizens speaking out in outrage and how George will now get something beyond an hour or two "sniff test" of his version and there will be an investigation and a trial and hopefully the outcome will be the correct one and justice will be served.

    Although ... I feel for the parents of the skinny kid running from George with skittles in his pocket who is now dead.
    Last edited by Turin; 03-27-12 at 03:33 AM.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    yet I suspect that he was playing cop and saw himself as important.
    Hyperbole.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    He had placed so many calls to police over the past year and had no reason to follow or approach the kid.
    So many calls?

    Do you know what his average number of his calls were?



    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Zimmerman was the probably the biggest threat to the neighborhood safety and peace.
    From the reports - he kept it safe and was appreciated.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I would eventually turn and confront Zimmerman if he followed me ... I am female and weight 108 lbs.
    Would you then attack him?



    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Zimmerman needs to be in jail and have a trial.
    No. He doesn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    The kid was walking in the public street and tapes documented he had just been to the store and purchased candy.
    And acting suspiciously enough for Zimmerman to call in a suspicious person. An unknown person in the neighborhood looking at homes is conduct that can very well be interpreted as casing.

    Is a gated community private or public?



    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    He is not trained in law enforcement and had no reason whatsoever to brandish a lethal weapon at that kid.
    Brandish?
    Where are you getting this information from?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Zimmerman could have defended himself easily with a kid weighing almost half of his own mass and Zimmerman was the one stalking
    Trayvon was an athlete of 160lbs at 6'0". Zimmerman was a pudgy 5'9" who was out of breath after a few seconds of running.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    My kid wears a hooded sweatshirt in spring weather ... if stalked by a guy that looked like Zimmerman he would be scared.
    Great. This incident has nothing to do with Trayvon wearing a hoodie.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Zimmerman deserves a fair trial ... yet the police are suspect in my opinion to simply have accepted Zimmerman's far out story.
    What exactly do you think is far out about it?


    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    There needs to be a trial yet I suspect Zimmerman was not racist ... just a low self esteem idiot playing tough guy. The police ...? I do wonder if some racism was involved ... and the whole story of Zimmerman ... stinks.
    Hyperbole. Zimmerman's action do not rise to the level of criminality. There should be no trial.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    The media ... has reported new details and although I agree with media reporting from corporate networks is trash ... the parents had to get the media's attention in order to even have Zimmerman questioned.
    The whole thing was blown out of proportion to what occurred. It had local press. There was no need for any more.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    The police failed ... as they had no evidence and arrived to find the kid dead with no weapon and weighing almost half of Zimmerman's weight and knew that Zimmerman had followed the kid by his own admission to the 911 operator.
    And?
    The evidence says that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Another thought ... I wondered if Zimmerman had serious mental health issues.
    Why are you engaging in speculation?
    There is no indication that he has.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Whatever happened ... no investigation? Get real ... if that were my kid I would have called every network I detest (Fox, MSNBC etc) and hired a private firm to investigate.
    Where do you get this idea that there was no investigation?
    There was an investigation and it was determined that there wasn't enough evidence to obtain a conviction.
    No evidence contradicted Zimmerman's statement.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Except ... there would be no investigation without the public outcry.

    I do know ... that Zimmerman followed an unarmed skinny kid on a public street and shot him dead and did not call an ambulance.
    Where are yo getting your information from?

    There was an investigation.
    It was the prosecution who determined there was not enough evidence to bring Zimmerman to trial.

    The police were on the scene moments after it happened and took Zimmerman into custody.
    The officer heard the shot as he pulled up.
    The officer is the one who noticed Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of his head and nose.
    The officer also overheard Zimmerman say he didn't know why no one responded to his calls for help.

    An eye-witness who was actually on the scene, saw Trayvon on top, and that it was Zimmerman calling for help.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    wow Xcon ... You are about the first poster who believes there should be no trial!

    Author of "stand your ground" law: George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for killing Trayvon Martin - Crimesider - CBS News

    It is the fact that Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's advice not to follow Martin that former Sen. Peaden says disqualifies him from claiming self-defense under the law.

    "The guy lost his defense right then," Peaden told the Miami Herald. "When he said 'I'm following him,' he lost his defense."

    Rep. Dennis Baxley, Peaden's co-sponsor in the Florida House, agrees with his former colleague, telling the newspaper that the law does not license neighborhood watch or others who feel "like they have the authority to pursue and confront people. That is aggravating an incident right there
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    Thanks for link UM.
    Last edited by Turin; 03-27-12 at 03:38 AM.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Is Zimmerman lying ... by all accounts imho it seems he is. Certainly he should have a fair trial and it is likely forensic evidence will help solve the case.

    The closest witnesses described what they saw immediately after hearing gun shots.



    Inside Dateline - Witnesses describe Trayvon Martin's final moments; Parents say 'He was headed on the right path'
    There is nothing in that report that contradicts anything Zimmerman reportedly told police.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    wow Xcon ... You are about the first poster who believes there should be no trial!

    Author of "stand your ground" law: George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for killing Trayvon Martin - Crimesider - CBS News

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    Thanks for link UM.
    Wow?
    You realize the author's opinion does not matter right?
    You also realize that he didn't have all the information to even form an accurate opinion of what happened - right?
    The law as written and as applied is what matters.
    And - don't you realize all you did was site political grand standing?

    Oh yeah? Did you not hear that this is a case of simple Self Defense and not a SYG?

    Well wow is right. Why do you not have the information you are reciting correct?
    Last edited by Excon; 03-27-12 at 03:48 AM.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Where are yo getting your information from?

    There was an investigation.
    It was the prosecution who determined there was not enough evidence to bring Zimmerman to trial.

    The police were on the scene moments after it happened and took Zimmerman into custody.
    The officer heard the shot as he pulled up.
    The officer is the one who noticed Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of his head and nose.
    The officer also overheard Zimmerman say he didn't know why no one responded to his calls for help.

    An eye-witness who was actually on the scene, saw Trayvon on top, and that it was Zimmerman calling fro help.
    Two eye witnesses, not one. A 13 year old African-American teen out with his dog and a person only identified as "John." Both said Martin was over Zimmerman and described it as "fighting." They both heard someone shouting for help and "John" said this was Zimmerman. Also 2 women heard someone yelling for help and it was recorded in one of their 911 call. Martin's father also said the person yelling for help was not his son.

    I don't think "stand your ground" has any relevancy. Zimmerman was on the ground with Martin pounding his head into the concrete according to Zimmerman. The injury to Zimmerman would seem to confirm this.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    From the reports - he kept it safe and was appreciated.
    Sounds like Zimmerman was breaking the rules according to the Watch Association.

    Wendy Dorival is Sanford's volunteer coordinator for the Police Department. She helped train Zimmerman. She stated that those involved in neighborhood-watch programs are supposed to be "the eyes and ears" for the police, "not a vigilante." Specifically, she said, members "are not supposed to confront anyone. We get paid to get into harm's way. You don't do that. You just call them from the safety of your home or your vehicle." She added that carrying and using a gun on patrol violates protocols.

    Furthermore, the National Sheriffs' Association, which sponsors the neighborhood-watch program nationwide, is 100% clear in its manual on this point as well: "Patrol members do not carry weapons," have no police power, and should "not attempt to apprehend a person committing a crime or to investigate a suspicious activity." Lastly, not following the guidelines can result in serious consequences: "Each member is liable as an individual for civil and criminal charges should he exceed his authority
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    Keep in mind ... the kid was simply walking to a his father's fiance condo in that neighborhood in day light unarmed to watch a game after buying skittles and chatting up his gf on a cell phone. Both Zimmerman and the gf report Trevon as walking away ...!

    Casing the neighborhood? ... that was only in Georges mind as he pursued the unarmed kid despite training.
    Last edited by Turin; 03-27-12 at 03:54 AM.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Unless you're willing to call the police force which investigated this disturbance a bunch of Keystone Cops?
    (and I can assure you, they weren't.)

    THEIR decision regarding prosecution of a supposed offense STANDS.

    I'm real sorry to any folks outside of the U.S.,

    but HERE, a person is considered INNOCENT until ...

    well, at LEAST until some sort of CHARGES,
    by some sort of VALID AUTHORITY,
    i.e. a police force,

    are actually LEVIED against the person.

    How dare y'all be jumping to conclusions regarding something you really know nothing about???

    Amazing, in the most horrible sort of way, imho.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by fyrenza View Post
    Unless you're willing to call the police force which investigated this disturbance a bunch of Keystone Cops?
    (and I can assure you, they weren't.)

    THEIR decision regarding prosecution of a supposed offense STANDS.

    I'm real sorry to any folks outside of the U.S.,

    but HERE, a person is considered INNOCENT until ...

    well, at LEAST until some sort of CHARGES,
    by some sort of VALID AUTHORITY,
    i.e. a police force,

    are actually LEVIED against the person.

    How dare y'all be jumping to conclusions regarding something you really know nothing about???

    Amazing, in the most horrible sort of way, imho.
    It's too bad Zimmerman didn't afford Trayvon Martin those simply luxuries that his defenders are now begging us to afford him.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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