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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yeah --- sure --- whatever ..... none of the "Martin doomed himself" crowd is motivated by their own preconceived biases are they?
    Nope. As I have stated.... Zimmerman takes back his statement as a lie...... Forensics determines that Martin was actually 12 feet away when the shot occurred.....stuff like that would change my mind for sure.

    Im going with the evidence.... not my "heart feelings".

    I don't allow dead kids to weight on my heart so much that the person responsible for killing them must be guilty at all cost. I continue to use reason and logic.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I said that I do not trust southern police, I said nothing about the people!...Plus, I have followed this one man killing another story....far too many things to be suspicious of. It was not that long ago when a white could kill a black and it would be a "so-what"...People simply do not change that quickly...north or south...
    Ever hear of : "one rotten apple ?"
    Its "silly" for one not to know that this one rotten apple can do...Ask the Islamics....
    So, you refuse to judge this situation based upon its own merits, but because back in the day some white dude (Zimmerman is hispanic) killed a black dude and nobody cared?

    This is why Zimmerman is ****ed. If he gets a bunch of jurors that think so ignorantly such as this... he is screwed.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Biased!
    You assume that Zimmerman is telling the truth and that the girlfriend is lying.
    Also it is simply not true that one cannot locate a cell phone user via the cell phone conversation , this takes smarts to do, of course, and at times is not reliable.
    This case should go to a grand jury.
    But I do agree that the media, both right and left wing, cannot be trusted.
    Have I ever mentioned a need for reform in this area ?
    No.

    I assume that Zimmerman is telling the truth, and that the girlfriend cannot possible SEE what is going on over the phone. She cannot possible know where Trayvon and George were in relation to the neighborhood. She cannot possible know who pushed who from a SOUND (or if someone even pushed another person instead of the possibility that the headset fell off while Trayvon punched Zimmerman).


    So its not bias to recognize that someone on the phone can't tell where the other person is in relation to the neighborhood's design. Its just impossible.
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Sadly, I now have started to firm up my belief that Zimmerman has been lying:

    Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman 911 call analysis: Two forensic experts say it's not George Zimmerman crying out for help - Orlando Sentinel

    Zimmerman has been saying he was the one calling for help. Expert analysis of the audio indicates that it was not Zimmerman. If this holds up, Zimmerman is a liar.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Sadly, I now have started to firm up my belief that Zimmerman has been lying:

    Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman 911 call analysis: Two forensic experts say it's not George Zimmerman crying out for help - Orlando Sentinel

    Zimmerman has been saying he was the one calling for help. Expert analysis of the audio indicates that it was not Zimmerman. If this holds up, Zimmerman is a liar.
    Who requested the analysis?

    I have hard time believing an "expert" if the "news" organization was the ones who requested it. I mean... just look at all the advertising that guy's firm got in that story......
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    I don't think any objective or intelligent person would make up their mind one way or the other at this point. There is a lot of evidence to consider and perhaps more than we are even aware of at the moment.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I don't think any objective or intelligent person would make up their mind one way or the other at this point. There is a lot of evidence to consider and perhaps more than we are even aware of at the moment.
    True. However, I think any objective or intelligent person could conclude that Zimmerman's actions, based upon the 911 recording alone, indicate that he shares at least some responsibility for the death of Martin -- regardless of whether or not the SYG law lets him walk free (as it has so far).

    Indeed, the investigating officer at Sanford PD thinks the same (according to mainstream news reports).

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Nope. As I have stated.... Zimmerman takes back his statement as a lie...... Forensics determines that Martin was actually 12 feet away when the shot occurred.....stuff like that would change my mind for sure.

    Im going with the evidence.... not my "heart feelings".

    I don't allow dead kids to weight on my heart so much that the person responsible for killing them must be guilty at all cost. I continue to use reason and logic.
    Good for you on that. Sadly, that seems to be not shared by other fervent Z supporters here and elsewhere.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Good for you on that. Sadly, that seems to be not shared by other fervent Z supporters here and elsewhere.
    Interesting you should say that, Haymarket.

    I see those "fervent Z supporters" trying to make sure an innocent man doesn't get railroaded. There is no evidence, so far, that proves Zimmerman's accounting of events is a lie. None. It is the "other side of the argument folks" who are conjecturing and opining and playing scientific expert and making stuff UP about Zimmerman.

    I've never seen anything like it. This is how people get lynched.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Interesting you should say that, Haymarket.

    I see those "fervent Z supporters" trying to make sure an innocent man doesn't get railroaded. There is no evidence, so far, that proves Zimmerman's accounting of events is a lie. None. It is the "other side of the argument folks" who are conjecturing and opining and playing scientific expert and making stuff UP about Zimmerman.

    I've never seen anything like it. This is how people get lynched.
    We know that Zimmerman took the life of an unarmed minor after he was advised by a professional not to approach him. While that in no way changes the legal assumption of innocence - it does warrant a thorough and complete investigation to determine if Z is telling the truth.
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