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Thread: Is he lying?

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Martin knew he was being followed according to the girl he was talking to on the phone.

    Knowing that he was being followed, apparently Martin briskly walked behind the residence and waited for Zimmerman to come around the corner and then confronted him.

    Some would say that Martin lured him back there and waited. He knew he was being followed and ambushed him.
    That is not Zimmerman's statement though...


    And while the girlfriend claims, how does she know what Martin is doing at every moment unless he was saying. "I am now taking a step towards the rear of this house." "I am now doing this" etc.

    EARwitnesses, especially on a phone no less, can't testify to MOVEMENTS. They can testify to SOUNDS. This is why her statement doesn't sit well with me.....

    She claims to know that Trayvon Martin was pushed due to the sound of his phone/headset falling. She has absolutely no REAL clue the CAUSE of the phone/headset falling.

    Its also why I don't trust the media, they just report it that Trayvon got pushed, without taking into account you can't tell that via a telephone.


    As I have stated in another thread..... I can be on the phone with my brother and know he was at the house doing something, and as we are talking about this or that, the next thing I know he is picking his wife up from work. No clue he left the house, because you can't hear where people are.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    talk about your wild speculation!!!!!
    It was wild speculation.

    Just as freaking wild as anything those supporting Martin's "RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE" have speculated.


    And, at least he isn't using the "skreeet justice lawyer's handbook" to determine that being followed is legal justification for slamming someone's head into the concrete multiple times while they scream for help.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    I hate speculation.

    What's worse is the probability that this will become the next OJ Simpson/Duke Lacrosse/Casey Anthony case, where it's highly politicized.

    Whatever it takes to make money and stir tensions, I guess.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine, replying to another View Post
    [...] I just freaking said in the post you responded to that this is NOT a SYG defense! Zimmerman's attorney also said this. Why are you still hung up on SYG! THIS IS NOT A STAND YOUR GROUND CASE.

    ABC News
    By DAVID MUIR (@DavidMuir) and OLIVIA KATRANDJIAN
    March 25, 2012

    The attorney counseling George Zimmerman, who shot unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin as he was walking home from the store with a bag of Skittles, says if charges are filed, Zimmerman will argue that he acted in self-defense and that Florida's stand-your-ground law applies. [....]

    George Zimmerman's Attorney and Friend Speak About Trayvon Martin Incident - ABC News
    Caution: self-starting video at link (I hate that crap)

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    Re: Is he lying?

    More (that I haven't seen posted):

    CBS News
    By Mark Strassmann
    March 27, 2012 7:10 PM

    On February 26th, the night Martin was killed, police questioned Zimmerman for five hours at police headquarters. The police report noted Zimmerman was "bleeding from the nose and the back of the head." [Karl: nosebleed, okay; broken nose, unlikely] [...] Police did not administer a drug and alcohol test or an immediate background check on Zimmerman, although they did both on Martin.

    The next day, detectives re-enacted the shooting with Zimmerman at the scene. They also discovered Zimmerman had two prior arrests: one for assaulting a cop, the other for domestic abuse. For the next two weeks, lead investigator Chris Serino pursued a manslaughter charge against Zimmerman. Police interviewed at least six witnesses. But none of them saw how the confrontation began or the shooting that ended it. Public pressure grew. On March 12, police gave the case to State Attorney Norm Wolfinger. He told them they needed more evidence to arrest Zimmerman. [...]

    What happened right after Trayvon Martin's shooting? - CBS News
    On Zimmerman's injuries, there is a police surveillance video @ ABC News of him being processed at the police station. At that point, there is no bleeding or blood evident. It would appear that any EMS treatment at the scene cleared all that up.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    That is not Zimmerman's statement though...


    And while the girlfriend claims, how does she know what Martin is doing at every moment unless he was saying. "I am now taking a step towards the rear of this house." "I am now doing this" etc.

    EARwitnesses, especially on a phone no less, can't testify to MOVEMENTS. They can testify to SOUNDS. This is why her statement doesn't sit well with me.....

    She claims to know that Trayvon Martin was pushed due to the sound of his phone/headset falling. She has absolutely no REAL clue the CAUSE of the phone/headset falling.

    Its also why I don't trust the media, they just report it that Trayvon got pushed, without taking into account you can't tell that via a telephone.


    As I have stated in another thread..... I can be on the phone with my brother and know he was at the house doing something, and as we are talking about this or that, the next thing I know he is picking his wife up from work. No clue he left the house, because you can't hear where people are.
    The fact that Martin's body was found behind the house, and the witnesses saw him on top of Zimmerman beating him behind the house pretty much confirms that he walked behind the house IMO.
    Last edited by Muhammed; 03-28-12 at 10:22 PM.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    The fact that Martin's body was found behind the house, and the witnesses saw him on top of Zimmerman beating him behind the house pretty much confirms that he walked behind the house IMO.
    Yes. However, do we know that Martin was behind that particular row of townhouses? These are rows of townhouses with a sidewalk between them.

    It still doesn't prove Zimmerman's statement that he was walking back to his vehicle false.

    It also doesn't prove that Martin was found by Zimmerman at that location. Martin could have slipped through the area and to the next street or around a corner of a row of townhouses and then came up after Zimmerman, consistent with his statement.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Then you wouldn't be considered as "fearing for your life" either.
    Yes, It wasn't until I was 19 that I had someone pull a gun on me. It was after I chased him down.
    The police got there in time. It was good that SYGL wasn't there. He ended up in jail for about a year.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post


    Well said. lol.

    It seems every time I turn on the news, something new surfaces to muddy the case for this armchair juror.
    Last edited by lunchbox; 03-29-12 at 03:05 AM.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox View Post
    Well said. lol.
    It seems every time I turn on the news, something new surfaces to muddy the case for this armchair juror.
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    More (that I haven't seen posted):
    On Zimmerman's injuries, there is a police surveillance video @ ABC News of him being processed at the police station. At that point, there is no bleeding or blood evident. It would appear that any EMS treatment at the scene cleared all that up.
    It looks like Karl & Lunchbox are correct when it comes to the details. I just viewed an (the) ABC News video showing the injuries to Zimmerman's head. (I was told that he had the back of his head slammed against a concrete curbing several times.) Also I had accepted that the police released Zimmerman at the seen and had based that action on the SYGL. Now it appears that it was the states lawyers that made that decision after Zimmerman was brought in cuffed.
    However, my issue is what the SYGL as written does, and in opinion most of what I've posted stands.

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