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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Not if Zimmerman physically did something to Martin that could be considered minor assault.
    I still haven't seen anything that indicates that Zimmerman didn't do anything to Martin first.
    This is critical in a SYGL country.
    lol

    No really?

    lol

    You haven't seen something that doesn't exist?

    That seals it.
    Yep, he's definitely guilty then.

    Come on.
    Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Followed for a long time? lol
    You realize that this happened over a very short time period, right?
    It is not manslaughter.
    Zimmerman was not in the wrong for following. He just wasn't.
    Trayvon was in the wrong for acting out violently.
    Trayvon's thoughts and feelings, have no bearing on Zimmerman's actions.
    Zimmerman feared for his life and acted accordingly within the confines of the law.
    Why are you so certain that he did nothing wrong?

    It does not mater if Trayvon felt threatened.
    This is not about what he felt.
    It is about Zimmerman's actions and if they fall with in the confines of the law.

    Whet Trayvon thought or felt has no bearing on what charge Zimmermon could receive. None.

    Yes it does matter because of the stand your ground law.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    From Wiki:
    Incompetent person (legal), person not of sound mind or mentally impaired, unable to make decision for himself or herself.
    So is a police officer that is doing his job carefully, following the SYGL to the T, and supporting the culture of the his environment being incompetent? I think not. Remember what his culture requires. Not your's, his.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060337003

    expand you vocabulary and try again... click on the link and see even the adjective definition.

    incompetent - definition of incompetent by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Is Zimmerman lying ... by all accounts imho it seems he is. Certainly he should have a fair trial and it is likely forensic evidence will help solve the case.

    The closest witnesses described what they saw immediately after hearing gun shots.



    Inside Dateline - Witnesses describe Trayvon Martin's final moments; Parents say 'He was headed on the right path'
    So.. he was pacing around?

    The adrenaline involved in being in a situation and having to make a decision like that is very tramatic.... people pace around when life changing things happen.... we can all agree

    Just a few examples....... This has happened COUNTLESS times when I have gone to inform folks that their family member is dead (a kid in a crash I had to tell his parents), or in the case of a man whose wife of 78 years old was dead but paramedics were in the process of trying to revive her.

    And a personal example..... When my dryer caught on fire and threatened to burn my house down, after the adrenaline rush of running upstairs and snatching my kids out of the house since their rooms are above the garage where I dragged the flaming drying before it got worse.... anyways, After I got outside and was awaiting the fire department I was pacing around.. and... imagine this... grabbing my head.

    Its what people do. If anything it proves to me that this isn't a situation where He intended for this to happen, and it was traumatic for him.
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Yet, we have Zimmerman"s own words that he is following the kid. Zimmerman did not observe the kid on private property or harassing anyone. The kid was walking in the public street and tapes documented he had just been to the store and purchased candy.

    I have a kid that age ...that is skinny and gangly and likes to go to the store and get skittles. Zimmerman felt the kid was acting odd yet I view Zimmerman as acting really odd. He is not trained in law enforcement and had no reason whatsoever to brandish a lethal weapon at that kid.
    So getting his head pounded into pavement isn't reason to brandish a weapon to make the assault stop? Cool deal. One doesn't have to be trained in law enforcement to observe the actions of another. That is what Zimmerman was doing, following him so he could let officers know where he is, and so that he can be a witness to any crime that occurred during that time, if any. You and I may think what Zimmerman was doing was "different", but I can't fault a guy for wanting to protect his neighborhood. You and I were not present and do not know what if anything about Martin seemed suspicious.

    Honestly ...from a female standpoint ... that big dumb idiot guy sounds like a real pu$$y to have reached for his gun in light of the his own phone call and the facts ( Zimmerman could have defended himself easily with a kid weighing almost half of his own mass and Zimmerman was the one stalking and no witnesses that saw the supposed punch)
    Yes, Fat makes skill. Weight means all. So a 700lbs dude who can't get out of bed can surely kick my ass!

    My kid wears a hooded sweatshirt in spring weather ... if stalked by a guy that looked like Zimmerman he would be scared. If harassed enough or provoked he might throw a punch and he does not get in fights.
    And yet the first exchange of words was from Martin to Zimmerman. So much for harassment.

    Zimmerman deserves a fair trial ... yet the police are suspect in my opinion to simply have accepted Zimmerman's far out story.
    He has wounds that matches his story, and a witness to part of the story. Plus his already entered call for service about the suspicious person. Doesn't seem so damned far out to me......


    There needs to be a trial yet I suspect Zimmerman was not racist ... just a low self esteem idiot playing tough guy. The police ...? I do wonder if some racism was involved ... and the whole story of Zimmerman ... stinks.
    What leads you to believe racism was involved? Or are you just being prejudiced?

    The media ... has reported new details and although I agree with media reporting from corporate networks is trash ... the parents had to get the media's attention in order to even have Zimmerman questioned.
    You mean lynched... not questioned.

    The police failed ... as they had no evidence and arrived to find the kid dead with no weapon and weighing almost half of Zimmerman's weight and knew that Zimmerman had followed the kid by his own admission to the 911 operator.
    So if a 700lbs dude shot me while I was trying to strangle him in his bed..... it would be suspect because he weights 4 times me?

    Another thought ... I wondered if Zimmerman had serious mental health issues.
    I wonder if people calling for Zimmerman's lynching have serious mental health issues. You have about as much reason to believe your preponderance as I do.

    Whatever happened ... no investigation? Get real ... if that were my kid I would have called every network I detest (Fox, MSNBC etc) and hired a private firm to investigate.
    No investigation? Is that why there was a report and a guy taken into police custody for questioning and then released? Witnesses given statements, etc?
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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post


    Couple that with Zimmerman pursuing an unarmed teen recorded on 911 dispatcher despite being told to stop ... and a few minutes later the unarmed teen is dead with George standing on the body and not calling an ambulance.

    He needs to be arrested in the murder and and the truth discovered either way and justice served.
    Arrested based upon what probable cause?

    Oh, yeah, you know.... that little standard that is required to take away someone's freedom under the law... probable cause....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Arrested based upon what probable cause?

    Oh, yeah, you know.... that little standard that is required to take away someone's freedom under the law... probable cause....
    I think they can shoe zimmerman shot him. That is probable cause.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    I think they can shoe zimmerman shot him. That is probable cause.
    No. It isn't probable cause.

    They have prove he UNLAWFULLY shot Zimmerman.

    And it has to be proven that he did so with malice for murder.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    No. It isn't probable cause.

    They have prove he UNLAWFULLY shot Zimmerman.

    And it has to be proven that he did so with malice for murder.
    No they don't zimmerman killed an unarmed minor. That is unlawful. You want zimmerman to face no consequences for taking a life that was no threat to him.

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    Re: Is he lying?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    No they don't zimmerman killed an unarmed minor. That is unlawful. You want zimmerman to face no consequences for taking a life that was no threat to him.
    I know that I've posted about how does one know which, Zimmerman or Martin, started the fight from a SYGL POV.
    However, the only thing that matters in the foreign country of Florida in this case is the SYGL. Given the SYGL it's very hard to prove in a court that there was an illegal killing of any sort. I think this is the intention of the SYGL.

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