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    Being the right and the wrong race

    The president said that Trayvon Martin would look like his son if he had one and then called for full government power used to see justice is done in the matter of the death of the 17 year old who looks like his son would look.

    George Zimmerman, a spanish speaking Latino, doesn't look like he could have been Obama's son.

    In this, I believe the President of the United States told everyone in the country, everyone in his Justice Department, everyone on the Grand Jury (that is primarily African-American in that community), the judge, and all prospective jurors a very simple declaration:

    Treyvon Martin is the right race. George is the wrong race.

    Do you approve of what President Obama said?

    (sorry but I can't edit the typos)
    Last edited by joko104; 03-24-12 at 02:47 AM.

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    I disagree completely, he said nothing of the sort about there being a right and a wrong race (at least from what I have read that he said).

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Oh, wow.

    I said No.

    The prez shouldn't be commenting on ANY SORT of local criminal matters.

    Doesn't he have a country to run?

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    This is now the third thread I have posted this in Joko. You have been discussing this matter in all three threads and have not responded. I have found that I agree with you on several things on different topics, but this one I must strenuously disagree.

    I originally posted this in another thread... please consider carefully.

    I think Obama meant it more like everyone else who is saying it means it. They are showing compassion for the family and saying they can identify with the tragedy. How can one incident deflect the focus of an entire administration? I think you are making the comment larger than it is. I'll join Obama and say "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon", and I mean that every parent and every friend and family member sees it as a tragedy, my son would look like Trayvon because he would be a beautiful person. Why don't we try to see it that way, as solidarity against violence.


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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    I wonder if this would be an issue if Obama were white and said a gunned-down white kid looked like he could have been his son.

    Zimmerman is not "the wrong race." There is significant evidence that the investigation was bungled and that Zimmerman had motives other than self-defense for shooting Martin. The fact that he is not getting Obama's sympathy when the motives of him killing a 17-year-old are so heavily in question is not surprising. He shouldn't be.

    This is a comment that would get no attention whatsoever if Obama were white. Obama's meaning of it is probably no more insidious than it would be if he had said it as a white man.

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by fyrenza View Post
    Oh, wow.

    I said No.

    The prez shouldn't be commenting on ANY SORT of local criminal matters.

    Doesn't he have a country to run?

    Uhh matters such as these are part of the COUNTRY....


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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    I do not believe that President Obama meant it in a racial way... but I can see why some might think he did. I just disagree with those who think he did. I think most people who think he did are choosing to read more into it than what is really there.

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The president said that Trayvon Martin would look like his son if he had one and then called for full government power used to see justice is done in the matter of the death of the 17 year old who looks like his son would look.

    George Zimmerman, a spanish speaking Latino, doesn't look like he could have been Obama's son.

    In this, I believe the President of the United States told everyone in the country, everyone in his Justice Department, everyone on the Grand Jury (that is primarily African-American in that community), the judge, and all prospective jurors a very simple declaration:

    Treyvon Martin is the right race. George is the wrong race.

    Do you approve of what President Obama said?

    (sorry but I can't edit the typos)
    I voted Other.

    This is a seriously stupid poll.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The president said that Trayvon Martin would look like his son if he had one and then called for full government power used to see justice is done in the matter of the death of the 17 year old who looks like his son would look.

    George Zimmerman, a spanish speaking Latino, doesn't look like he could have been Obama's son.

    In this, I believe the President of the United States told everyone in the country, everyone in his Justice Department, everyone on the Grand Jury (that is primarily African-American in that community), the judge, and all prospective jurors a very simple declaration:

    Treyvon Martin is the right race. George is the wrong race.

    Do you approve of what President Obama said?

    (sorry but I can't edit the typos)
    1. Unlike a lot of people, I do think Obama was identifying with Martin on a racial level. However, I see no problem with him doing this as Presidents, and people in general, often connect themselves personally to a story in order to connect with others in some way or another. Imagine if a Church in the United States was bombed and it had the level of national coverage and concern that this story has. Imagine if Obama had said, "That could have been my Church." In that statement he would be identifying himself as a Christian and connecting with Christians across the country who are hurt and outraged by the bombing. There would be nothing wrong with him saying that and I doubt certain people would be as upset at Obama admitting that he's Christian as they are when Obama admits, in some way or another, that he's black.

    2. Obama's comment made no value judgement on race in his comment. Consequently, that you see his comment as speaking of "right and wrong races" is speaks to the irrationality of your inferences instead of the intent or meaning of Obama's comments.

    Simply put, you seem sensitive.

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    It's called empathy, people. I saw some horrible photos of the two recent fatal bus crashes in France and Switzerland recently and one of the kids seen crying on the roadside looked just like my nephew, Joe. I mentioned this to some friends. Was I making a racial point?
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