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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The president said that Trayvon Martin would look like his son if he had one and then called for full government power used to see justice is done in the matter of the death of the 17 year old who looks like his son would look.

    George Zimmerman, a spanish speaking Latino, doesn't look like he could have been Obama's son.

    In this, I believe the President of the United States told everyone in the country, everyone in his Justice Department, everyone on the Grand Jury (that is primarily African-American in that community), the judge, and all prospective jurors a very simple declaration:

    Treyvon Martin is the right race. George is the wrong race.

    Do you approve of what President Obama said?

    (sorry but I can't edit the typos)
    This is what I meant the other day when I said "I know what hte president was trying to say: but he made a terrible choice of words in trying to say it" Without intending to - he turned this into a serious race issue because he didn't think enough ahead of time.

    With a few different words he could have connected with every single parent out there - and every single adult who's ever been a teen living in a dangerous community.
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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    This is now the third thread I have posted this in Joko. You have been discussing this matter in all three threads and have not responded. I have found that I agree with you on several things on different topics, but this one I must strenuously disagree.

    I originally posted this in another thread... please consider carefully.

    I think Obama meant it more like everyone else who is saying it means it. They are showing compassion for the family and saying they can identify with the tragedy. How can one incident deflect the focus of an entire administration? I think you are making the comment larger than it is. I'll join Obama and say "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon", and I mean that every parent and every friend and family member sees it as a tragedy, my son would look like Trayvon because he would be a beautiful person. Why don't we try to see it that way, as solidarity against violence.


    " Obama said in the Rose Garden. "I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this. And that everybody pull together."
    The president specified it was about how Martin "looks."
    Before hearing that, not one time had the thought ever crossed my mind does my adopted daughter look like my race.

    PLEASE - by all means - explain why Martin looking like he could be Obama's son is relevant to anything?

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The president specified it was about how Martin "looks."
    Before hearing that, not one time had the thought ever crossed my mind does my adopted daughter look like my race.

    PLEASE - by all means - explain why Martin looking like he could be Obama's son is relevant to anything?
    If a church was bombed and Obama said in an empathetic manner, "That could have been my church," would you have a problem with that?

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Nice accuse him of playing the race card for political gain and using a death to do it.

    Please tell me you were being sarcastic. Otherwise that is pretty stupid comment. I did not vote for Obama, but damn man.
    So you are shocked huh. I suppose you don't think obama and dems used the Gifford shooting for politics either, damn man.

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So you are shocked huh. I suppose you don't think obama and dems used the Gifford shooting for politics either, damn man.
    Well, at least you admit you're trying to make political capital out of it. Telling.
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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The president said that Trayvon Martin would look like his son if he had one and then called for full government power used to see justice is done in the matter of the death of the 17 year old who looks like his son would look.

    George Zimmerman, a spanish speaking Latino, doesn't look like he could have been Obama's son.

    In this, I believe the President of the United States told everyone in the country, everyone in his Justice Department, everyone on the Grand Jury (that is primarily African-American in that community), the judge, and all prospective jurors a very simple declaration:

    Treyvon Martin is the right race. George is the wrong race.

    Do you approve of what President Obama said?

    (sorry but I can't edit the typos)
    I think what he said was just fine. And I don't even care for the man. Ha!

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    This is what I meant the other day when I said "I know what hte president was trying to say: but he made a terrible choice of words in trying to say it" Without intending to - he turned this into a serious race issue because he didn't think enough ahead of time.

    With a few different words he could have connected with every single parent out there - and every single adult who's ever been a teen living in a dangerous community.
    You mean like this, "Every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and everybody pulls together, federal state and local, to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened"?

    If a Church in the US had been bombed and gotten this much attention and Obama made a personal connection through it by mentioning his own Christianity, people would not have a problem with it. What is it about race that makes people feel like mentioning it is alienating and "divisive"? If someone feels alienated from the President because of this comment, then that feeling is something coming from within themselves and Obama shouldn't pander too it.

    Obama is black. His son would have been black. There are racial questions and concerns surrounding this case. Obama might have understood those 3 things and fashioned his comment to reference them. It's not a big deal.
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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    You mean like this, "Every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and everybody pulls together, federal state and local, to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened"?

    If a Church in the US had been bombed and gotten this much attention and Obama made a personal connection through it by mentioning his own Christianity, people would not have a problem with it. What is it about race that makes people feel like mentioning it is alienating and "divisive"? If someone feels alienated from the President because of this comment, then that feeling is something coming from within themselves and Obama shouldn't pander too it.

    Obama is black. His son would have been black. There are racial questions and concerns surrounding this case. Obama might have understood those 3 things. It's not a big deal.
    He didn't mention race. Never said a word about it. Racism, in this case, is in the ears of the whatevers.
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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He didn't mention race. Never said a word about it. Racism, in this case, is in the ears of the whatevers.
    He mentioned his sons "looks". It's incredibly easy to draw from that that Obama was connecting to Trayvon's race, but it's ambiguous enough to say that he wasn't. If he wasn't, then no big deal. If he was (and I think he was particularly given I'm sure he's aware how upset a lot of black Americans are), then it's still no big deal. That's my point. Like I've said several times. If a Church or a Christian were attacked and Obama mentioned his Christianity, then it wouldn't be a big deal. However, the idea of Obama mentioning his race seems to throw a lot of people into a hypocritical tizzy.

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    Re: Being the right and the wrong race

    If Obama was truly concerned about a 17 year old kid getting shot he would have said something like that could of been any of our sons even mine. He chose however to say if he had a son he would look like Trevor. What do you think he was talking about, did Trevor have big ears? The answer is obvious and the answer is RACE CARD!

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