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    Punishment or solution?

    Time and time again we hear about some politician/s passing new laws or or attempting to pass new laws that increase punishments of those convicted of some crime or other. It is obvious, to me at least, that this line of thinking is a failure. Isn't it time that we start trying to come up with solutions instead of just adding more punishments?

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    38 views and several hours later and no one has an opinion on this? No votes? Is my question really that hard to answer?
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Depends on the crime and the potential for recidivism.
    Usually though, I believe that once the time has been served, the debt should be considered paid.
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Don't the statistics for USofA's prison population prove without a doubt that we're doing something very wrong in this country?

    I'm not saying violent crime should be without punishment.

    But we've got a serious problem in this country and just throwing more people in prison for longer periods of time isn't fixing anything.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Don't the statistics for USofA's prison population prove without a doubt that we're doing something very wrong in this country?

    I'm not saying violent crime should be without punishment.

    But we've got a serious problem in this country and just throwing more people in prison for longer periods of time isn't fixing anything.
    I agree for the most part. A lot of the racial disparity and general over crowding is simply the useless war on drugs. A complete waist of time, effort and money best used someplace else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I agree for the most part. A lot of the racial disparity and general over crowding is simply the useless war on drugs. A complete waist of time, effort and money best used someplace else.
    And you know when a d-bag like Pat Robertson starts saying the same kinds of things that there might be hope for some changes to come after all.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

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    I'd say we need both.

    Punishment for the guy on the left.

    A solution for the guy on the right.
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Time and time again we hear about some politician/s passing new laws or or attempting to pass new laws that increase punishments of those convicted of some crime or other. It is obvious, to me at least, that this line of thinking is a failure. Isn't it time that we start trying to come up with solutions instead of just adding more punishments?

    Which do you prefer?
    I prefer solutions to punishments alone with the caveat that punishment can be a part of the solution.

    To me, solutions to the problem of crime have two parts: the individual and society. On the individual level, prison should be a place where people are assessed to determine whether or not their behavioral patterns can be changed. If they can be changed, then the prison takes the steps necessary to do it. Consequently, a prison sentence would be determined according to how long it would take to alter their behavior and establish positive patterns much like time for rehab is determined. After prison, criminals who need them would go into society re-entry programs - much like "sober houses" are for addicts.

    On the societal level, solving the problem of crime rests in quality schools, a large quantity of after school/park district programs, programs to teach people skills needed to succeed, quality police activity and other things.

    Crime and criminals are problems. These problems have solutions and punishment alone is not one of them.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Time and time again we hear about some politician/s passing new laws or or attempting to pass new laws that increase punishments of those convicted of some crime or other. It is obvious, to me at least, that this line of thinking is a failure. Isn't it time that we start trying to come up with solutions instead of just adding more punishments?

    Which do you prefer?
    Difficult to answer to with intellectual honesty. I prefer solutions as a concept, but the problems in dealing with crime are so variable, and individuals so variable as well, that *solutions* become virtually impossible to define universally.
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Time and time again we hear about some politician/s passing new laws or or attempting to pass new laws that increase punishments of those convicted of some crime or other. It is obvious, to me at least, that this line of thinking is a failure. Isn't it time that we start trying to come up with solutions instead of just adding more punishments?

    Which do you prefer?
    By all means, do present your list of tried and true "solutions" that will go a long ways to solving this crime problem.
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