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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    By all means, do present your list of tried and true "solutions" that will go a long ways to solving this crime problem.
    Who ever said anything about "tried and true"? The problem that I am bringing up is that this country focus's more on punishments than solutions. And that practice is a failure. So why not change our methods?
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Your point? The question of the thread is "which do you prefer?". I never said that punishment was not needed or should be stopped altogether. But I do believe that solutions need to be had. The problem being that we don't have hardly any. We have drug rehabilitation facilities, AA and not much else.

    Also you should prolly note that I am talking about major crimes and not piddly ones like texting while driving.
    Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think "piddly" crimes like texting while driving shouldn't warrant a jail sentence, and that would go hand-in-hand with the point you are trying to make in regards to solutions > punishments.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Time and time again we hear about some politician/s passing new laws or or attempting to pass new laws that increase punishments of those convicted of some crime or other. It is obvious, to me at least, that this line of thinking is a failure. Isn't it time that we start trying to come up with solutions instead of just adding more punishments?

    Which do you prefer?
    as I recall, the recidivism rate for felons who are punished with death is zero.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    as I recall, the recidivism rate for felons who are punished with death is zero.
    Are you insinuating we execute all felons?

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Are you insinuating we execute all felons?
    All? no. we have a fence along the southern border that needs a moat dug, and a pipeline up in Alaska that needs workers.

    but murderers and violent rapists? yup. preferably in public. murderers to be expanded to those who took actions that were conceivably intended to kill someone, but failed. drop a shopping cart on someone's head from an overpass - they take you out in front of your neighborhood and hang you. let all your "boys" see how "tough" you are when you are crying and pooping and choking. that will have effect -not like our current idiotic over-costly system where the deed is separated from the punishment.
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Who ever said anything about "tried and true"? The problem that I am bringing up is that this country focus's more on punishments than solutions. And that practice is a failure. So why not change our methods?
    By all means, I am open to reading about such suggestions. Please do present them.
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Time and time again we hear about some politician/s passing new laws or or attempting to pass new laws that increase punishments of those convicted of some crime or other. It is obvious, to me at least, that this line of thinking is a failure. Isn't it time that we start trying to come up with solutions instead of just adding more punishments?

    Which do you prefer?

    Solutions; the punishments are severe enough,IMO....
    Simply adding to them is just plain "stupid".
    The solution includes an abatement of "privacy".....in order to prevent the care and feeding of a future criminal..
    In other words, early intervention can walk in much more easily and stop child abuse. Of course, we probably need a lot of improvement in detecting abuse... and controlling it..

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    All? no. we have a fence along the southern border that needs a moat dug, and a pipeline up in Alaska that needs workers.

    but murderers and violent rapists? yup. preferably in public. murderers to be expanded to those who took actions that were conceivably intended to kill someone, but failed. drop a shopping cart on someone's head from an overpass - they take you out in front of your neighborhood and hang you. let all your "boys" see how "tough" you are when you are crying and pooping and choking. that will have effect -not like our current idiotic over-costly system where the deed is separated from the punishment.
    Why not torture them first in the public square? How about burning them to the stake?

    Frankly, if you're not willing to inject the lethal dose of potassium chloride, then maybe you should reconsider your own convictions. But I suppose you'd take the job.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    Why not torture them first in the public square? How about burning them to the stake?
    neither is necessary and both would probably violate the Constitutional ban on cruel and unusual punishment. hanging is well within our tradition, though firing squad would work just as well.

    Frankly, if you're not willing to inject the lethal dose of potassium chloride, then maybe you should reconsider your own convictions. But I suppose you'd take the job.
    I wouldn't have any moral qualms with it. Much easier than the shades-of-grey decisions we faced in Iraq. It probably wouldn't pay well enough to attract me, though.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    All? no. we have a fence along the southern border that needs a moat dug, and a pipeline up in Alaska that needs workers.
    I favor the line, but the "moat" ???
    The moat protects those in their ivory towers , these people need to be booted out and exposed..

    but murderers and violent rapists? yup. preferably in public. murderers to be expanded to those who took actions that were conceivably intended to kill someone, but failed. drop a shopping cart on someone's head from an overpass - they take you out in front of your neighborhood and hang you. let all your "boys" see how "tough" you are when you are crying and pooping and choking. that will have effect -not like our current idiotic over-costly system where the deed is separated from the punishment.
    Our level of civilization is reflected on how we handle our "criminals".
    Cp, IMO, your methods did not work in the 6th century nor the 16th century...why should they work today ????
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