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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    aberrations exist in all aspects where men make decisions
    And this particular reality shoots to hell your claim made previously about those two people accused of crimes.
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And this particular reality shoots to hell your claim made previously about those two people accused of crimes.
    wrong-as usual

    the point is that to claim that white collar criminals ALWAYS get lower punishments is complete crap. and violence is usually going to merit harsher sentences. why-because the only way to incapacitate a VIOLENT criminal is physical restraint or death. While a fraud can be rendered impotent with other sanctions

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wrong-as usual

    the point is that to claim that white collar criminals ALWAYS get lower punishments is complete crap. and violence is usually going to merit harsher sentences. why-because the only way to incapacitate a VIOLENT criminal is physical restraint or death. While a fraud can be rendered impotent with other sanctions
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I prefer solutions to punishments alone with the caveat that punishment can be a part of the solution.

    To me, solutions to the problem of crime have two parts: the individual and society. On the individual level, prison should be a place where people are assessed to determine whether or not their behavioral patterns can be changed. If they can be changed, then the prison takes the steps necessary to do it. Consequently, a prison sentence would be determined according to how long it would take to alter their behavior and establish positive patterns much like time for rehab is determined. After prison, criminals who need them would go into society re-entry programs - much like "sober houses" are for addicts.

    On the societal level, solving the problem of crime rests in quality schools, a large quantity of after school/park district programs, programs to teach people skills needed to succeed, quality police activity and other things.

    Crime and criminals are problems. These problems have solutions and punishment alone is not one of them.
    I don't know if much rehab is happening anymore. There is a serious overcrowding issue and that means things have to be very regimented and the more people there are, the more difficult it gets. I don't think the system is fair at all, from arrest to conviction and selection of facility it is horrible. So many people do not need to be there, they are not a threat to society at large. Prison is an entirely different culture than what it is on the outside. I think it just breeds more bad behavior.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Don't the statistics for USofA's prison population prove without a doubt that we're doing something very wrong in this country?

    I'm not saying violent crime should be without punishment.

    But we've got a serious problem in this country and just throwing more people in prison for longer periods of time isn't fixing anything.
    I'd say it proves we've got a lot of criminals who would rather commit crimes than not.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Time and time again we hear about some politician/s passing new laws or or attempting to pass new laws that increase punishments of those convicted of some crime or other. It is obvious, to me at least, that this line of thinking is a failure. Isn't it time that we start trying to come up with solutions instead of just adding more punishments?

    Which do you prefer?
    I agree with you completely: the government draws its crime projections from the dropout rate, and those projections are transferred to the number of prison beds needed for the future . . . I must say that I'm of the opinion that the country really does not want solutions; if we did such ideas would be as public as "terrorism". I think that, like the best health care, preventative medicine is the best practice: most kids that drift into crime live in areas where they have nothing to do to occupy their time in any productive manner: that's fiscal repsonsibility for you; spend a penny to save a dime never occurs to those "responsible" people. Education in this country is not a priority, for the very profound reason that - it's not a priority; like invading Iraq . . .

    The cynic in me declares that "industry" does not want a solution, but lives by the revolving door . . .
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    38 views and several hours later and no one has an opinion on this? No votes? Is my question really that hard to answer?
    Well in Florida we have the Stand Your Ground law. And as I see it it will keep the police, jails and courts out of these problems.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Time and time again we hear about some politician/s passing new laws or or attempting to pass new laws that increase punishments of those convicted of some crime or other. It is obvious, to me at least, that this line of thinking is a failure. Isn't it time that we start trying to come up with solutions instead of just adding more punishments?

    Which do you prefer?
    As a general rule, I agree. In the sense that we need to stop manufacturing criminals where none exist. We need to stop being gullible and buying the line of crap that politicians are selling us when they do this crap.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    This coming from a guy who once argued texting while driving should warrant a jail sentence.
    Your point? The question of the thread is "which do you prefer?". I never said that punishment was not needed or should be stopped altogether. But I do believe that solutions need to be had. The problem being that we don't have hardly any. We have drug rehabilitation facilities, AA and not much else.

    Also you should prolly note that I am talking about major crimes and not piddly ones like texting while driving.
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