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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Let's not overlook the fact that prisons are a good Corporate business, especially if you can get people put in jail for basically innocent behavior, and keep a steady stream of inmates who are paid for daily by the Federal Gov't. 23 million in jail in the USA.. Per capita, more than any Nation on Earth. Nasty, no-good, reefer smokin', pill poppin', no goodniks gettin' free room and board. Yeh, they probably like that. Now, if you can get some laws passed making aspirin or even sex illegal, we can get occupancy rates that even Wackenhut can live with. Yessir, a boom business, as long as you've got laws to keep the occupancy level up. Makes cop type jobs, more and more Homeland Security types up the local noses. Wowser, the benefits never cease. If you rehabilitate, you lose occupancy rates, so let's not pretend that rehabilitation gets anything but lip service. They buildin' mo' jails and plannin' on keepin' em full. I believe the problems are systemic, not caused by criminal profiles, and there are definitely some criminals out there, but they mostly running banks and casting votes as your representatives in Congress. I believe if some really good drains were installed inside the Washington, D. C. beltway and a good flush initiated, many problems would be solved.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The problem with the bolded, is that we already spend huge amounts on education and opportunities, but many people fail to use them as a means for improving their lives. We have been spending huge amounts on welfare programs for many years now, and what we seem to be getting for the money is more welfare obligations.
    Much of the problem is cultural. You can throw money at a societal problem, but until the problem is resolved within the individual and the community which is the source of the problem, nothing has been accomplished. nothing? When was the last race riot ? What we need here is a government official with the stats....
    You can't fix poor parenting and bad choices by tossing in money. These problems are so deep-seated that they basically can't be fixed by society, but only by the individual.
    And these problems will remain with us as long as there is hatred, racism, fear, bigotry in the hearts of man...
    As far as the "huge amounts" being spend on welfare....consider this as the cost of ignorance....

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    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And these problems will remain with us as long as there is hatred, racism, fear, bigotry in the hearts of man...
    As far as the "huge amounts" being spend on welfare....consider this as the cost of ignorance....
    Sorry man, but it's not cool to insert words into someone else's posts.
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Let's not overlook the fact that prisons are a good Corporate business, especially if you can get people put in jail for basically innocent behavior, and keep a steady stream of inmates who are paid for daily by the Federal Gov't. 23 million in jail in the USA.. Per capita, more than any Nation on Earth. Nasty, no-good, reefer smokin', pill poppin', no goodniks gettin' free room and board. Yeh, they probably like that. Now, if you can get some laws passed making aspirin or even sex illegal, we can get occupancy rates that even Wackenhut can live with. Yessir, a boom business, as long as you've got laws to keep the occupancy level up. Makes cop type jobs, more and more Homeland Security types up the local noses. Wowser, the benefits never cease. If you rehabilitate, you lose occupancy rates, so let's not pretend that rehabilitation gets anything but lip service. They buildin' mo' jails and plannin' on keepin' em full. I believe the problems are systemic, not caused by criminal profiles, and there are definitely some criminals out there, but they mostly running banks and casting votes as your representatives in Congress. I believe if some really good drains were installed inside the Washington, D. C. beltway and a good flush initiated, many problems would be solved.
    I "like" this.....
    We have progressed....and we have a long way to go.....
    There was a time when "sex" was nearly illegal... with the church running things in Europe - hundreds of years ago

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Sorry man, but it's not cool to insert words into someone else's posts.
    Cool - schmool....I can see your point.....In 15 years of posting, this is the first I have heard of this....but your point is most valid.
    Again, when was the last race riot ?
    You claim "nothing has been accomplished"..
    I disagree.
    Things are improving, but at a snail's pace...
    Last edited by earthworm; 03-23-12 at 01:59 PM.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    when no solution is effective ,we may need punisment.which solution prevents a psycho pedophile from raping a baby and killing him.and it is seen that many pedophiles still go on commiting the same crime even after lots of treatments.you see punisment is a must.and these psychos must be executed.the best solution is this for them

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Time and time again we hear about some politician/s passing new laws or or attempting to pass new laws that increase punishments of those convicted of some crime or other. It is obvious, to me at least, that this line of thinking is a failure. Isn't it time that we start trying to come up with solutions instead of just adding more punishments?

    Which do you prefer?

    I believe our entire outlook on rehabilitation and punishment are skewed in this country. We lock criminals up into a life of hell surrounded by other like minded individuals, we offer little to no real tools to show them a different path and yet we expect them to become model citizens once released. Many are under educated, lack any real (legal) trade, have grown up in poor environments, are now put in further poor environments by our judicial system and are left with a poorer situation to better themselves after release due to criminal records and the stigmas attached. Many have mental health issues that are never really addressed, many have lower then average IQs. My point being our entire system fails to help the situation that has lead many to commit criminal acts. Until we start treating them like people that have made mistakes and try to show them a better way and stop placing them out of sight and out of mind our system will continue to fail us.

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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I believe our entire outlook on rehabilitation and punishment are skewed in this country. We lock criminals up into a life of hell surrounded by other like minded individuals, we offer little to no real tools to show them a different path and yet we expect them to become model citizens once released. Many are under educated, lack any real (legal) trade, have grown up in poor environments, are now put in further poor environments by our judicial system and are left with a poorer situation to better themselves after release due to criminal records and the stigmas attached. Many have mental health issues that are never really addressed, many have lower then average IQs. My point being our entire system fails to help the situation that has lead many to commit criminal acts. Until we start treating them like people that have made mistakes and try to show them a better way and stop placing them out of sight and out of mind our system will continue to fail us.
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Bo Brownstein:



    Junior Allen:



    Junior Allen Prison | TV Thief Regains Life Taken by Jail Sentence - Los Angeles Times
    Drew 'Bo' Brownstein: NY Judge Sentences Denver Trader To Year In Prison For Insider Trading

    You're right, he had a couple other offenses...including a violent assault. Still...

    A year and a day?
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    Re: Punishment or solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Sentence people by degree of economic impact.
    if that were true killing ten homeless people would net you a month in the county lockup but kneecapping Roger Federer would get you the chair

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