View Poll Results: Will Senate Democrats put out a Budget?

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    1 6.67%
  • No - They will adopt the Obama Budget and try to pass it

    2 13.33%
  • No - They will ignore their duty alltogether and hope the story goes away

    8 53.33%
  • No - they will allow multiple factions to put forth budget proposals and let them all fail

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    Re: Will Senate Democrats Put Out a Budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's an extreme plan, but these are extreme times. Frankly, Democrats are fools to let it go because it's political suicide. Don't they remember the Contract With America back in Clinton days? That was essentially a Congressional Democrat flush. Quite honestly, Senate Democrats really have no choice but to do something, unless they want to get swapped out and go back to employment in the private sector.
    If the point is to play populist games, sure, I suppose they should just do whatever's easy and gets something done. But the Ryan plan doesn't sufficiently cover the range of options we have. It's preposterous that so many of the Republicans (like 95%) have signed Norquist's Pledge. We need to make massive cuts, I fully agree, but we need to also increase revenue, will also simplifying the tax code.

    I think extreme for our time would be to do everything that works. We can stop funding the Armed Forces, demolish Social Security and all that, but that just because that's extreme doesn't mean its what's best for the country.
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    Re: Will Senate Democrats Put Out a Budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter
    If the point is to play populist games, sure, I suppose they should just do whatever's easy and gets something done. But the Ryan plan doesn't sufficiently cover the range of options we have. It's preposterous that so many of the Republicans (like 95%) have signed Norquist's Pledge. We need to make massive cuts, I fully agree, but we need to also increase revenue, will also simplifying the tax code.
    The problem I have with that is that I am no follower, nor am I a fan of the upgraded neo-Keynesian movement and its views on increasing public sector revenue through blank check policy.

    I think extreme for our time would be to do everything that works. We can stop funding the Armed Forces, demolish Social Security and all that, but that just because that's extreme doesn't mean its what's best for the country.
    That's not extreme though; that's self-destructive. Obviously the Ryan plan is extreme just because of the numbers. When you talk about cuts in the trillions, it's naturally going to hit you like a slug to the face. What alternative do we have though? Without our trade imbalance and our debt growing at the exponential rate it is, trimming the pork and modest gestures will do nothing more than put a band-aid on a bullet wound.

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    Re: Will Senate Democrats Put Out a Budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The problem I have with that is that I am no follower, nor am I a fan of the upgraded neo-Keynesian movement and its views on increasing public sector revenue through blank check policy.
    I don't agree with that definition, but let's agree to disagree then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That's not extreme though; that's self-destructive. Obviously the Ryan plan is extreme just because of the numbers. When you talk about cuts in the trillions, it's naturally going to hit you like a slug to the face. What alternative do we have though? Without our trade imbalance and our debt growing at the exponential rate it is, trimming the pork and modest gestures will do nothing more than put a band-aid on a bullet wound.
    My point is I think the Ryan plan would be self-destructive as well. I agree we need something more than just cuts, or tax increases, but we need a plan that includes every option available to us. Yes, we can see some massive cuts, but at the same time, we can't be taxing millionaires/billionaires at 15%.

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    I completely agree, but that's an entirely different story.
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    Re: Will Senate Democrats Put Out a Budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter
    My point is I think the Ryan plan would be self-destructive as well. I agree we need something more than just cuts, or tax increases, but we need a plan that includes every option available to us. Yes, we can see some massive cuts, but at the same time, we can't be taxing millionaires/billionaires at 15%.
    I don't think we should either. The problem is that we don't. It seems that the average, stupid, believe-what-they're-told middle to lower middle class American actually believes that all millionaires make their money through capital gains. That's not even close to being the real truth.

    This is why, in my perfect little world, a meritocracy would be in place - and why I'll never be a "true" libertarian. I'm too much into stifling and censoring the intellectually inferior population, and not giving them a dangerous weapon as an equal vote.

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    Re: Will Senate Democrats Put Out a Budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I don't think we should either. The problem is that we don't. It seems that the average, stupid, believe-what-they're-told middle to lower middle class American actually believes that all millionaires make their money through capital gains. That's not even close to being the real truth.
    Specific exemptions and such aside (which we shouldn't have in the first place), what exactly do you want to tax them? More or less?

    I myself would like to see them taxed more. I don't think that the trickle-down theory works very effectively, unless we're using the increased revenue from the rich to decrease the taxes of the lower brackets or something like that,
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    Re: Will Senate Democrats Put Out a Budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    We don't need reform. We need revolution. We need a new way of thinking, and a new method to get there.
    It's a shame the Republicans didn't push those same ideals a decade ago when they had all the power.


    Instead they took a budget that was fairly well balanced and ... well, history speaks for itself.
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    Re: Will Senate Democrats Put Out a Budget?

    I'm going with number 4. Their primary objective is to attempt to look like they have some budget in mind, but primarily running or campaigning against the Ryan budget.

    And no, I don't agree. A policy revolution is something I am skeptical of.
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    Re: Will Senate Democrats Put Out a Budget?

    The Dems always make budget proposals, but if the Repugs say "No," it gums up the works. The Repugs think that works to their own advantage. What do you think? Morons? Just inept? Cutthroat politics? Politics for the 1%?

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    Re: Will Senate Democrats Put Out a Budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    So you place the entire blame for Senate inaction on the House, even though the Senate doesn't produce any alternative? Bizarre!
    Actually the House is the ONLY place that a budget can be proposed, that is their job. The Senate could make up their own but if it doesn't fly in the House it is nothing but a waste of time. The House has done nothing but waste time since convening, so NO I dont blame the Senate for not wanting to follow suit.

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    Re: Will Senate Democrats Put Out a Budget?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The House puts out the budget but the Senate must pass it too. The question should be, "Will the HOUSE will put out a budget that can pass the Senate". We all know the answer to that......NO.
    The House has no intention of producing a budget that has any chance of passing the Senate, how would they blame Dems for not passing a budget then?
    How did they do when the dems controlled the house AND the senate AND the white house?

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