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  • Everything should be permitted that doesn't "harm others"

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That is the $64,000 question isn't it? It is fundamental to how we want to govern/be governed.


    Personally I think going to either extreme would be disasterous; I favor a middle-of-the-road approach. We should have some basic standards yes... for instance we've decided that a 15yo cannot consent to sex, even if she does consent, because her consent is too uninformed and so on. Public sex doesn't "hurt" anyone but I don't think it should be allowed; some fundamental standards of public decency make for a better society.

    OTOH trying to legislate virtue into law is something that ought to be done very sparingly and very carefully, when it is done at all.... else we could fall into a dictatorship of the well-meaning.


    EXACTLY where to draw that "go no further" line is always the question of course.




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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    I'm not a fan of allowing people to cause serious harm to themselves.

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Illegal drug abuse is nor more harmful to others than legal drug abuse, unless your talking about all the crime associated with the sale, and distribution of it, though that is because of it being illegal, and those problems would go away if you made them legal

    Prostitution does not harm anyone either, unless you are talking about the women being abused by pimps, and their unfair wages, and all the STD's they can get, of course that would stop if you made it legal as well.

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    Lots of unlesses in there.

    STDs would stop if prostitution were legal? Really? Child prostitutes would no longer be in demand? Even more very young women wouldn't be drawn into the life if it were legal? Now. I could see legalizing escort-type prostitution. But on street corners? No freakin' way.

    If drugs were legal, there would be millions more drug addicts. Tens of millions. Drug addiction ruins lives...the person using...their familiy...wastes public resources. Marijuana? I'm with you there. The other crap? That would be a travesty.
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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Lots of unlesses in there.

    STDs would stop if prostitution were legal? Really? Child prostitutes would no longer be in demand? Even more very young women wouldn't be drawn into the life if it were legal? Now. I could see legalizing escort-type prostitution. But on street corners? No freakin' way.

    If drugs were legal, there would be millions more drug addicts. Tens of millions. Drug addiction ruins lives...the person using...their familiy...wastes public resources. Marijuana? I'm with you there. The other crap? That would be a travesty.
    we already have legal rc drugs 1000% more dangerous then street drugs.

    marijuana doesnt kill anyone,other drugs i can see being still illegal.

    nevada has legal prostitution and their legal prostitutes dont seem to have any std problems because they are regulated and tested,unlike illegal prostitution.
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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That is the $64,000 question isn't it? It is fundamental to how we want to govern/be governed.


    Personally I think going to either extreme would be disasterous; I favor a middle-of-the-road approach. We should have some basic standards yes... for instance we've decided that a 15yo cannot consent to sex, even if she does consent, because her consent is too uninformed and so on. Public sex doesn't "hurt" anyone but I don't think it should be allowed; some fundamental standards of public decency make for a better society.

    OTOH trying to legislate virtue into law is something that ought to be done very sparingly and very carefully, when it is done at all.... else we could fall into a dictatorship of the well-meaning.


    EXACTLY where to draw that "go no further" line is always the question of course.




    Keep to the middle of the road please.
    If he would have added "adult" to the OP question, would that help?

    As for public decency, how about letting women go topless as men are allowed to do but let's all keep our pants on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mensch View Post
    If he would have added "adult" to the OP question, would that help?

    As for public decency, how about letting women go topless as men are allowed to do but let's all keep our pants on?


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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Lots of unlesses in there.

    STDs would stop if prostitution were legal? Really? Child prostitutes would no longer be in demand? Even more very young women wouldn't be drawn into the life if it were legal? Now. I could see legalizing escort-type prostitution. But on street corners? No freakin' way.

    If drugs were legal, there would be millions more drug addicts. Tens of millions. Drug addiction ruins lives...the person using...their familiy...wastes public resources. Marijuana? I'm with you there. The other crap? That would be a travesty.
    I think what others tend to neglect too is the impact it would also have on legal drugs (prescription drugs). If people are legally entitled to do whatever they want to their own bodies then what should stop anyone from obtaining any legal medications? What should keep someone from having to get a prescription for blood sugar/blood pressure/thyroid medications? We have the current medical model and prescriptive checks and balances because it would be a travesty to public health to allow individuals to self diagnose and self treat or to say that they are self entitled to every medication at their elective choice. The ethical and legal implications of legalizing illegal substances and the ethical belief that you can do whatever you want to yourself has many more implications than just legalizing very harmful illegal drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think what others tend to neglect too is the impact it would also have on legal drugs (prescription drugs). If people are legally entitled to do whatever they want to their own bodies then what should stop anyone from obtaining any legal medications? What should keep someone from having to get a prescription for blood sugar/blood pressure/thyroid medications? We have the current medical model and prescriptive checks and balances because it would be a travesty to public health to allow individuals to self diagnose and self treat or to say that they are self entitled to every medication at their elective choice. The ethical and legal implications of legalizing illegal substances and the ethical belief that you can do whatever you want to yourself has many more implications than just legalizing very harmful illegal drugs.


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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Individual drug use fuels drug cartels.
    That is only because it is illegal. Does drinking alcohol fuel gang cartels?

    Illegal prostitution attracts crime to neighborhoods and lowers property values. Plus, of course, all prostitution is not voluntary. Ask Leroy about his "commissions."
    The keyword is "illegal." We're discussing the legalization of prostitution, which would protect the workers and would essentially be away from crime. All legal prostitution is voluntary. Simply ask the sex workers at the Cat House.

    And why on earth would you exclude "theft"???
    Because theft is theft. It is separate from drug use. If I'm a full-time pothead making an honest living, who am I stealing from? Theft should remain a crime to be punished. Drug use should not.

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Lots of unlesses in there.

    STDs would stop if prostitution were legal? Really? Child prostitutes would no longer be in demand? Even more very young women wouldn't be drawn into the life if it were legal? Now. I could see legalizing escort-type prostitution. But on street corners? No freakin' way.

    If drugs were legal, there would be millions more drug addicts. Tens of millions. Drug addiction ruins lives...the person using...their familiy...wastes public resources. Marijuana? I'm with you there. The other crap? That would be a travesty.
    If prostitution were legal, we could regulate it, which would mean having them wear condoms with all clients, getting medical check-ups regularly, and have it in a place where there is security, and the girls are safe. Also the girls would get a fair wage for their work, and not get ripped off by pimps, which is what happens now. I never said STD's would stop, I'm saying you could reduce it dramatically, and I never said legalize it on street corners, the street corner prostitute would become much more rare in my scenario. And the child thing is a strawman, because I never said anything about that, and it is a completely different issue.

    Now for drugs, there would not be more drug addicts, and yes drug addiction does ruin lives, but when you can get a prescription for heroin, which is what Oxycontin is basically, don't try to tell me that we as a country are concerned about drug addiction. If we really were that **** would be so illegal, the war on drugs is nothing but a money making scheme, and if you really want to stop addiction, you would get rid of the laws we have now, stop putting people into jail for drug possession and use, and put them into rehab centers.

    Also, the number one illegal drug, money, and use wise is marijuana, you legalize that, you get rid of so much crime, and so much violence it would have a great effect on us as a society. Plus all the money we would gain by not wasting it, and how less congested our prisons, and legal system would become. It's amazing that it is not already legalized.
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