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  • Everything should be permitted that doesn't "harm others"

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  • We should have some societal standards based on morals

    10 21.28%
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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Most things people would debate are currently illegal drug use, forms of sex, addictions to substances, and other things.

    I can't really give you an example of that, because I'm not of the persuasion that just because something doesn't "harm others" doesn't mean it should be legal or permitted.
    You can't give and example because their are none......for example legal drugs affexts a lot of people druggies driving cars and getting into accidents comes to mind.
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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"? If something doesn't "harm others" should it be legal and permitted? Should we have societal standards? Should we have some legal morals? Do people have a right to do all things they wish so long as others aren't harmed?
    For the most part, yes.

    Adults are adults, and they should have the freedom to live their lives however they choose. I don't see why they shouldn't just because someone else doesn't like it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Most things people would debate are currently illegal drug use, forms of sex, addictions to substances, and other things.

    I can't really give you an example of that, because I'm not of the persuasion that just because something doesn't "harm others" doesn't mean it should be legal or permitted.
    Fair enough.

    But if that's the case, what standard do you propose we use to decide if something should be legal and permitted or not despite that activity not harming others?

    And remember - whatever standard you use we have to pay taxes to get those laws enforced.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    To answer the OP's question...I can think of a few things that don't "harm others" that should be regulated:

    - Safety/preemptive laws. Driving while intoxicated, driving on the left side of the road, having fire hazards in your workplace...These regulations don't harm others in and of themselves, but the laws are designed to prevent possible future harm.
    Why have several different laws to punish the same crime?

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    We should have more standards than we have now.

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Individual drug use fuels drug cartels.
    How many alcohol cartels are there? It's illegal drugs that fuel "cartels" not legal ones.

    Legal drugs only fuel capitalism and there are laws against price-fixing.

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    Illegal prostitution attracts crime to neighborhoods and lowers property values. Plus, of course, all prostitution is not voluntary. Ask Leroy about his "commissions."
    Illegal prostitution, yes, but if it's legal and regulated?
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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    How many alcohol cartels are there? It's illegal drugs that fuel "cartels" not legal ones.
    Moonshine is illegal and it certainly does have it's "cartels", although it doesn't have a huge following and that keeps the power of the moonshiners relatively low. That said though, I'll bet you still have moonshiners buying political influence, etc. in areas where moonshine is commonplace.

    Illegal prostitution, yes, but if it's legal and regulated?
    There's always going to be a point at which anything, be it drugs or alcohol or prostitution, where you cannot justify having it be legal. All you can do is move the line further along the continuum. Past that line, no matter where that line is, you're going to have problems.
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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    Yes we should permit everything that doesn't harm others.

    Crucial to this position is that we must also allow behavior that harms the self, because to disallow people from self-harm means spreading the consequences of the behavior to others. In other words, if we entitle self-sabotaging people to benefits, treatment, and other help, we are allowing the person's self-destruction to also harm others (financially).

    Therefore, to permit everything that doesn't harm others means also permitting everything that does harm the self (and refusing to guarantee help for self-harm).

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    What a society and/or a community tolerates invariably affects others, whether intentionally or not, so, in answer to a vague and rather nebulous question, yes, many things that appear to be 'victimless' should be illegal. Whether a society or community uses criminal or civil sanctions is the debatable issue, not whether 'Anything Goes' is an acceptable meme here.

    Children starving or being denied health care in Kansas City doesn't bother somebody out in the Burbs of Silly Con Valley, hence their ignorance or just not caring is indeed harmful; people just don't see it so are conveniently free to claim they aren't 'harming others' by passive inaction, as examples.

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    Re: Moral question: Should we permit everything that doesn't "harm others"?

    There's always going to be a point at which anything, be it drugs or alcohol or prostitution, where you cannot justify having it be legal. All you can do is move the line further along the continuum. Past that line, no matter where that line is, you're going to have problems.
    Yes. Circular reasoning will take anything to extremes, as a function of definitions. That's why ideological constructs will never resolve real life problems, personal or public, and some 'illogical' positions are necessary, however imperfect they may be, to achieve real progress.

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